7 Thunders - Q&A

Questions About The Second Thunder - 12/1998 - Article

The Tradition Of Tithing - 1/1999 - Article

The Doctrine Of Acceptance - 2006 - Article

The Harlot Church and The Second Thunder - 2/2006 - Article

The Gospel Of American Prosperity - 2/2006 - Article



Questions About The Second Thunder

Bob Neumann, 12/1998

[Libby Magnello wrote in to ask for an explanation of the Doctrine of Acceptance and The Theory of Dominion Theology, as mentioned in The Second Thunder by Bob Neumann. Here is Bob’s Reply]

Blessed be you Daughter of ZION for asking. No one else will, tells you the true state of those attending the circus.

THE MASTER called it a DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE. Many obviously were quick to jump up and throw their pet offenses into this category. But let me first state that like everything THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT has taught me in the past few years these ‘issues’ are two-edged swords. All that this means is that they have a double relationship within the church, all four do. And you are the only one to question ACCEPTANCE. Many people are pointing to the moves for “UNITY” in the BODY and “ECUMENICALISM” as the evils THE LORD is speaking of. That is because they have an agenda they serve.

Anything that “seems to support my agenda” is acceptable to me. I hope you caught it!

THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE is not the issue of the WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES and their “everybody in it together” but the idea that I can only accept you if you meet my agenda; fulfill my needs, make sounds like I make, hate the stuff I hate.

I guess there are those who read the SECOND THUNDER and said “hey, I told ya “PROMISE KEEPERS was of the devil, now I know why!” Only “PROMISE KEEPERS” was a sovereign move of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT, in it’s time and in it’s season. Those that want to use it to build personal ministries are the other edge of this sword so to speak.

THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE has a branch that says if you believe in something and I say I do, you have to accept me, and everything I say and believe. Of course their next statement is “if you do not accept me ‘carte blanche’ you are not of GOD. Boy LIBBY, I sure have gotten a lot of that lately. Question a false prophet and get cursed quickly and be told you are “of THE DEVIL, SERPENT SEED”.

So if I can put it in a nut shell THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE has two major smells that GREATLY OFFEND ABBA’S SENSATIVE NOSE. The first is the aspect that man decides what is “acceptable” in ‘his own eyes’, scripture reference: In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes. Judges 21:25 (KJV)

Man accepts that which meets his needs. Like the Poodle in heat. This may sound crude but it was what THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT showed me most explicitly. Ministries, denominations, pastors, leaders are like an animal in heat looking “to be mounted” by anything that will “fill their need”. So a denomination will embrace the HOMOSEXUAL agenda, because the “sin is already in the camp”. Pastors will preach “secular humanism” and not the GOSPEL because they “never knew” JESUS....ABBA....THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. They went to seminary/bible college as church goers and not as servants and got a liberal humanist education. What else will they preach? Bring in a new book about “self-.....” and they go to bed with it, even if it’s origin is humanism, or Hinduism or whatever.

Now the second aspect is we can put aside the GOSPEL to accept others as “true believers”. This is the real DEMON DOCTRINE behind “ECUMENICALISM”. Pagan Rome boasted all “roads lead to ROME”. Actually they lead to hell, all except the ONE that is straight and narrow.

Most “Christians” who point fingers at this DEMON DOCTRINE are in error so we have to be careful. Please understand that most DEMON DOCTRINES are intended to keep the CHURCH divided and at each other’s throats. They’ve worked pretty good so far haven’t they! If the Pentecostals can not tolerate other Pentecostals, how can they work with Baptists, Lutherans, etc.

ECUMENICALISM says all the earth mother’s kids, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Moslems, etc have an equally legitimate spirituality. And we can all work together to meet everyone’s needs/agendas/goals. Now we know this is a lie. But to say we can not unite true Christians together because of ECUMENICALISM is because that person really believes “my Christianity” is the only TRUE CHRISTIANITY, and unless you line up with me.... and we are back to the real issue.

Sister Libby....90% of the AMERICAN APOSTATE CHURCH would not let me in the door if it took one look at me, or read one thing I put out on the internet. I am “unacceptable”. It gives me a warm feeling to know I chose to serve the MASTER, and not man.

Now on to “THE THEORY OF DOMINION THEOLOGY”. Let me simply say that all that falls under the umbrella of “Dominion Theology” / ”Kingdom Theology” / ”new Constructionism”....and a lot of other names is simply this:. We will use our “rights” as free citizens to vote into office “Christian candidates” who will slowly bring America back to be a godly nation. Over time our “good influence” will spread and we can legislate morality and righteousness. In time we will take the gospel to the world and bring the world under our righteous control and then JESUS will return and reign forever. It might take 40,000 more years, but we have god on our side.

Sounds sort of strange, until you realize this belief system is what motivates the “Christian Coalition”, and those that “founded it”.

Here is the problem, back in the 1940’s-1950’s this move went through the Roman Catholic religious orders. It started in the third world countries where secular humanism and Marxism said all you young catholic priests have the “moral high ground” and can lead your people both spiritually and politically to bring about “social change”. In many places elections were won and change was initiated. In the case of South and Central America when reform began it was halted by force. When this occurred religion went with the revolution. Remember Nicaragua and that 15 of the original Sandinista Council were ex-Jesuit and ex-Maryknoll Catholic priests?

Many American church leaders are preaching a gospel of “activism”. We have to get active, have programs, do “stuff” to save the lost. Why “stuff”. JESUS said for us to “bear witness”, “preach the GOOD NEWS (BASAR...in HEBREW) of THE KINGDOM, not to build a KINGDOM that is “right in our own eyes”.

The AMERICAN CHURCH wants to be entertained. They want to see “signs and wonders”. So the church performs music instead of adoration, laser shows instead of the LIGHT OF THE WORLD, skits and mime over the WORD. None of these things are wrong in themselves, if THE WORD is preached. But if it isn’t all you got is a HOT DOG with no meat, all filler.

THIS “THEORY” like all “THEORIES” substitute man’s ideas over GOD. Take “evolution” for one. DOMINION THEOLOGY believers have been prophesying all kinds of stuff about AMERICA repenting just like NINEVAH. They preach that GOD put BILL CLINTON into office to “get saved” and turn AMERICA back to GOD. The problem is that Bill claims to be a “born again Baptist”, has since he first ran for office. The media shows him going to church on occasion carrying his bible. So we look back to the DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE briefly here. The liberal left Christians see Bill as a fellow “believer” doing the “best he can’, and accept him. The conservative right Christians see Bill as the reincarnation of AHAB, with his own JEZABEL. Selah.

Now we have a group that has espoused a little of both of the above that say Bill will “see the light” and THE LIGHT will be in the WHITE HOUSE.

ALICE BAILEY was saying the same thing in the pages printed by the LUCIS TRUST in the 1940’s and 1950’s. And ALICE was a Satanist/NEW AGER medium. Their “light” ain’t JESUS!!!!! When America fails to see Bill Clinton suddenly repent and take the ‘pledge’ we might see more violence labeled as Christian.

What is real ugly about Dominion Theology is that it throws out the whole books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Revelation, and good chunks of all 4 Gospels. There is a time of persecution coming to the righteous they say, but that they will come through it larger and stronger and take the world. That means no “SECOND COMING”, no need for a BRIDE to make herself ready, no JUDGEMENT, no TRIBULATION, no WRATH.

Few people that espouse DOMINION/KINGDOM NOW/or any other label it falls under will come out and say they do. They just stopped preaching the TRUTH, and preach everything and anything else. Harvest, but no Discipleship, Soul saving, but no Teaching/Mentoring, Pastoring without Compassion, Leadership without Accountability, and the list can go on. But my Favorite is the “YEAR OF JUBILEE”, that does not end. They quote and sing of THE YEAR OF FAVOR OF OUR LORD, and ignore the DAY OF VENGENCE OF OUR GOD.

I hope this helps. I could not go too much farther in this letter without stepping into the THIRD THUNDER, which is not time yet.

I don’t really understand why these 4 ‘dogs’ are more important than their friends, but it was not, and is not my call. All four are perversions of the TRUTH, the best lies always are.


Old Dog from Goshen




The Tradition Of Tithing

Bob Neumann, 1/1999

Dear Bill, each time I try to deal with this particular “beast” it just gets too involved. To explain why JESUS hated the RELIGIOUS SYSTEM of THE PHARASEES, and HIS ANGER at the SYSTEM now in place forces the issue for me. HE said the “traditions of man” overrode the Commandments of GOD, and those that held these traditions were a bunch of hypocrites and workers of iniquity with whom HE has no fellowship, no relationship. So I have a choice right now. I can join the hypocrites and deny my LORD. Or dish it out and offend all of Christendom.

Guess what church, you lost. Put on your lifejackets because the LORD, THE LORD MOST HIGH, wants you “dead”. One way or another, your ship is not coming in. It sinks.






THE TABERNACLE OF MEETING had been built and was a low maintenance TENT. No crystal cathedral, no set of walls with doctrines, just the place of HIS SHEKINAH. SO MAN PREFERS AFFLUENCE AND CONTROL OVER HIS GLORY. BAD CHOICE.

Deuteronomy 12:6-14

6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:

7 And there ye shall eat before the LORD your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your households, wherein the LORD thy God hath blessed thee.

8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;

11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

13 Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest:

14 But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.

Look at verse 12 again.

12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

Boy, what does this mean? That those in ministry are not to have part of “the land” like everyone else? That they would receive ‘their daily bread’ on an even level as the hired help? No wonder why RELIGION became a necessity for a hypocrite. Little incentive for wealth, power, esteem.

That is GOD’S AGENDA. It is the pure TRUTH.

2 Chron. 31:

4 Moreover he commanded the people that dwelt in Jerusalem to give the portion of the priests and the Levites, that they might be encouraged in the law of the LORD.

So the LAW states that the tithe fed and housed the SERVANTS of GOD. Only we are told over and over exactly how GOD wanted things to be.

Num. 31:

47 Even of the children of Israel’s half, Moses took one portion of fifty, both of man and of beast, and gave them unto the Levites, which kept the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses.

That is THE LAW. OLD TESTAMENT. Fifths and tenths to care first for widows, then orphans, then strangers/aliens. And then the PROFESSIONAL CLERGY. As we would call them.

But how often do the cries of “we are not under LAW. We are “under grace” ring out?

Fine when did GRACE BEGIN?

Acts 4:32-37

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. (KJV)

So if you want to ignore LAW and use GRACE. You do what JESUS asked of the rich young ruler. And simply give all to the LORD. Again simple TRUTH.

Is HIS CHURCH of one heart? One soul? Having “great power” as we “give the world a witness of THE LORD JESUS our CHRIST”? Then maybe we should not wonder why that “great grace” is missing. Nor should we be surprised that everywhere we turn THE CHURCH stands against being “one” in any way, shape, or form. Selah. Selah. Selah.

And now the REALITY.

Today the “TITHE” is what pays for the expenses of what we call “THE CHURCH”.

As the old saying goes. “It’s a good job if you can get it”.

And what is the PURPOSE of THE CHURCH. Think of all the answers that are flying around there. To reach the lost, to spread the gospel, to show the light of JESUS, to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry. Why go on.

THE REALITY is the “TITHE” is what keeps the local ministries in the game of raising money. .

How many churches spend 90% of the “tithes and offerings” for missions.

How many churches use 40-50% of their cash flow to feed the widows and orphans?

How many pastors work a 40-hour a week in the world and tend a flock in AMERICA today?

How many called to the mission fields have to beg and plead for support year in and year out?

How many food pantries, soup kitchens, rescue houses and shelters for the hurting are scrimping daily trying to reach out to as many as possible as THE AMERICAN MEGACHURCH pays millions of dollars a week for air-conditioning, sound systems, teleprompters, and air time. .





Matthew 6:33

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (KJV)

Exodus 19:5-7

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. (KJV)

Exodus 20:1-7

1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (KJV)

THE FIRST REALITY. By serving ministry and self, APOSTATE Christianity can provide for itself. Of course the way to do it all is to create RELIGIOUS TRADITION once again that would replace GOD and GOD’S commandments. Once the LIE is accepted in place of TRUTH we can point to REALITY for “self-justification” to feed off HIS FLOCK. No need to SERVE GOD. Because we now do right in our own eyes. And because we are right. All the means are justified to reach the end we envision.

And woe to the sheep if they don’t ante up fast enough, because we will brow beat them, cajole them, feed them all manor of lies and doctrines of demons to “influence” their REALITY. And that reality is “my ministry”. “My vision”. “My anointing”. “My calling”.

THE SECOND REALITY is if the first don’t work we’ll get it and make the sheep pay with interest, to BABYLON of course. But remember the ends justify the means doesn’t it! So take out loans and build edifices to “house the sheep”, and to impress all other hirelings. Now write a book, cut a CD, do tape series after tape series and sell it to hireling wannabes and sheep dumb enough to believe that serving man and serving GOD are one and the same. Wonder why the sheep quote Dr so and so. Rev what’s his name, Pastor you know who and never LOGOS? Wonder why THE CHURCH runs all over from show to show for healing, deliverance, prophetic WORDS, and “signs and wonders” in general? And never have relationship with THE FATHER?

THE TRUTH is simple.

Matthew 16:4

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Matthew 7:21-28

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: (KJV)

So let me show you a future reality JESUS has HIS own doctrine and it is not really a doctrine as we “know” it. Call it “HOUSE RULES”. Maybe just a little something man forget in his hurry to build his own “little kingdoms”.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. (KJV)

Matthew 25:31-46

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (KJV)

That is REALITY. And it is TRUTH.

So choose you this day. To be an unfruitful work of darkness, IN JESUS NAME. Of course, got to have someone shouting “LORD! LORD!” thinking they played the game by their own rules in anticipation of great blessings. Never knowing the curse they were under in the midst of their ‘prosperity’.

And you wonder why your “seed” is cursed?

Why the LAND is cursed?

Why you pray and never get exactly what you were asking for?

Why America has become a lawless, violent, perverse state where LAW is cast down and lies rule?

Maybe asking, or should I say demanding, GOD to bless what HIS WORD declares to be ABOMINATION in HIS EYES, and a stench before HIM might just be your problem. To be ‘cursed’ and calling it ‘blessing’






The Doctrine Of Acceptance

Bob Neumann, 2006

When i was first shown THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE I was given a fairly clear explanation. Since then I have been shown that this DOCTRINE is more insidious and has two aspects, edges.

The first aspect is that for anyone to be in covenant with me they must support everything i believe and preach. You can not argue with me or question me for i have the ONLY "true" revelation. Everyone else is in error and will be cast into hell forever. I am the final word and the only word on any and all subjects because i am GOD'S CHOSEN. GOD can only talk through me, so listen to every word i say.

At first glance you would say that's crazy! And one could wonder how anyone could fall into such an obvious trap. Well it was not so obvious in the beginning. Maybe in the very, very beginning GOD could have been there. THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT might have been LIVING AND ACTIVE.…

But something went wrong somewhere. Over time the servant decided to be master. Started to listen to "other voices" and began to believe what "they" were telling him. Or her. The enemy is equal opportunity.

In the last few years i began to see the other ASPECT to this ABOMINATION. In the Book of JOB ha'Satan answers THE MOST HIGH that he has been walking to and fro across the planet earth. Look at something Peter said…

1 Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Pe 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Last week THE LORD reminded me that the enemy is always in the hunt for the lost and the hurting.

Those who are caught up in the controlling and manipulation that THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE creates openly search for those who are battered and bruised, lost and alone. They say, WE WILL LOVE YOU and CARE FOR YOU. We will "accept" you among us and treat you with the acceptance you have never had. Only later on does the manipulation and control come into play, and by then those who were lost and alone, bruised and hurting are eager to support this doctrine because it "worked" for them.

Some may say, GEE BOB, you are talking about some crazy cult. And you are right. All "crazy cults" started here and eventually ended up on CNN NEWS. But most who have built on THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE are cunning and know when to slow it down and stay hidden.

So briefly, that is it. Each group that builds on THE DOCTRINE OF ACCEPTANCE tailors it to fit themselves perfectly. They answer to nobody but themselves. So no two will ever look exactly alike.

Something to ponder.

bob neumann




The Harlot Church and The Second Thunder

Bob Neumann, February 20, 2006

(This was sent to members of the WPA...bob)

It has been over seven years since the Second Thunder. When it was first published on the Internet there were a few questions about “the four dogs”. It seems that the most asked was about THE TRADITION OF TITHING. No one seemed to want to talk about the GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY. Back then it was gaining acceptance and popularity in the “spirit filled church”. Anyone remember a little book called THE PRAYER OF JABEZ. Follow the “instructions” and you too could become wealthy as Jabez. The only ones who got wealthy where the ones who sold it to a gullible church.

But let's go back to the SECOND THUNDER and what occurred at the end.

With this I was instructed to look again at the “dogs” and as one would pass THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT named them for me. Some where “doctrines”, and some had the label of “gospel”. Others HE called “dogmas” and “traditions”. It was as if every lie taught to a child of GOD in 4000 years had been chronicled and categorized. It took little time for my spirit to be burdened and grieved by the very length and depth of this list. Somewhere the long parade of dogs slowed and the last four stood alone.”

Few people noticed that there were a whole lot of “Demonic images” that was focused in the form of “dogs”. I was directed to discuss only four.






The reason for why I was shown these four and told to address them? THE LORD'S answer was “These are the doctrines man uses to control and harvest the flock.” First is CONTROL... then comes HARVEST.... think about the idea of HARVEST. How do you HARVEST a flock of sheep. Think about it.

But now look at what THE LORD says next: “Each started in the WORD and has been perverted and manipulated to serve the enemy.”

In other words, All Four started right and got TWISTED... PERVERTED.... and this is important because all four obscure THE TRUTH and gives to THE APOSTATE... THE HARLOT CHURCH an alternative to THE WORD OF GOD.

Now what is important, is the last thing I was told. “These and all the others will be exposed and destroyed in the days ahead.”

Ponder that....

Now what do you wish to do first?






The Gospel Of American Prosperity

Bob Neumann, February 25, 2006

For years we have heard through radio and TV the main speakers for what is called “THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL”. On the surface you can find hundreds of people who oppose it and written their positions easily found on the internet. The problem is that it is but an extensive study of what created and pushed this deception that is needed.

In America 100 years ago the prevelant “gospel” was based on everyone reading their bible and following the classic teachings of Calvin and Knox. A man worked and established his farm, his trade, and his business. Honesty and integrity were major virtues that they taught their children. People prayed for their daily bread and “enough”. 100 years ago AMERICA was not perfect. It's government and it's leaders were as corrupt then as they are now.

But pre-WW1 America the institution of THE CHURCH was what built hospitals and orphanages. They took care of the elderly and feeble. Communities would come together to build. Hospitals and orphanages carried names like MOUNT SINAI were built by Jewish Communities. Many hospitals were simply “Baptist”, “Methodist”, and “Presbyterian”.

Roman Catholics built thousands and staffed them. Some hospitals like “CEDARS OF LEBANON” were built by Lebanese christians who had emigrated to the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY.

So the question is WHAT HAPPENED? The only answer I have found is POWER AND PROSPERITY. At the end of WWII most americans had survived 2 world wars and THE GREAT DEPRESSION. The UNITED STATES was the world power of FREEDOM. At that point of time the US was an industrial and agricultural juggernaut. Research and Development was strong points in corporations and universities. But we were the VICTORS and the only place on the planet not devastated by war. No need to rebuild. So instead of rebuilding we became the AMERICA of THE “50's”.... IKE, TV, and THE GOOD LIFE.

In the 1950's America saw a change in “CHRISTIAN THINKING”. In 1952 Norman Vincent Peale wrote the book “The Power of Positive Thinking” based on his work in freudian psychology in the late '30's. He “created” the deceptions of positive thinking and positive confession philosophy. And out of nowhere a “new false gospel” was created, the “SELF-ESTEEM” gospel and the CHURCH became a source of “SELF-HELP” books, seminars and programs.

Dr Peale coined for us the CHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGY still popular today. He openly taught spiritual visualization and positive imaging. Dr Peale was a Mason and a mainstay in what we now call THE NEW AGE. He saw the effectiveness of NAZI PROPOGANDA and developed strong RADIO and TELEVISION adjuncts to his newsletter.

Those who openly followed him like Robert Schuller continued to use TV, RADIO, and publications to continue to spread their visibility in the market place. Today those who follow and preach the doctrines of positive confession, spiritual visualization are taking forth the GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY to the world.

Only the PROSPERITY GOSPEL can only appear to work in AMERICA. Please look at the term “appear”. The AMERICA of today is so different from 100 years ago one would struggle to see how much change can come in as few as 3 generations. No longer is AMERICA the industrial and agricultural giant we were only 60 years ago. And the gulf between those who have and those who have not increases yearly. This gulf is seen in our communities, our churches and our politics.

For the last 20 years the political parties have ridden “the church” to victory and the WHITE HOUSE. The political LEFT consolidated the LIBERAL AMERICAN CHURCH composed of churches who preach a Liberal, Humanistic Gospel. Few of these churches teach a “properity gospel” because of their desire to allow government to “bless them”.

On the other hand RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES went out to look for FUDAMENTALISTIC OLD-FASHIONED RELIGION. What they got was a lot of old-mainliners and a bunch of new PROSPERITY PREACHERS.

While each of these people have their own twist and turn to the PROPERITY MESSAGE, they all come down to 3 cardinal points. No two people exactly the same.

1) GOD wants us “all” to prosper. Being poor is a SIN. Our lives should be of ABUNDANCE which shows that we are blessed.

2) We reap as we sow. Put you money into the “fallow ground” and GOD MUST open “THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN”.

3) If you fail to be blessed, to prosper, to live in abundance it is your own fault. You have “hidden sin” or, even worse, a “LACK OF FAITH”.

Now this “LACK OF FAITH” situation is what “HEALING MINISTRIES” use when people fail to be healed who attend their “meetings”.

Now the PROSPERITY PEOPLE have an answer to anyone who “LACKS FAITH”....give more...give till it hurts... GIVE SACRAFICIALLY. So the only one who is sure of getting ahead is the ministry.

Now anyone could preach a GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY. But if you try to preach it from your “prison ministry”, it will fail. Likewise in the soup kitchen and the shelters. You will not hear it from most inner cities or rural congregations. PROSPERITY, it seems, has it's strength in the urban areas near large metropolitan areas. People who have enough and want more.

Outside the church, the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS is in severe debt. Mortgages, Education and Car loans, and CREDIT CARDS allow people to live above their means. These same people want to hear a message that supports lifestyle and habits. That tells them it is okay to ask for MORE and MORE and ignore those with less around them.

PROSPERITY is an AMERICAN GOSPEL because in other parts of the world too many people live day by day, farming, hearding, or working in factories owned by global corporations. I wonder how our persecuted brothers and sisters think about AMERICKANS who can “NAME IT AND CLAIM IT”, who read “the prayer of JABEZ” expecting windfalls to occur.

I have always wondered where they think this “MONEY” will come from. I have listened to so called “prophets” tell people that GOD would make them millionaires. That GOD would give them skill in business and inventiveness. I once heard a “prophet” tell a woman that she would “win the lottery”. Of course that woman walked away with assurance and happy that GOD WOULD DO WHAT she heard. Of course the same prophet in his message spoke of “lack of FAITH” stealing your blessing. I wonder if the woman had listened or cared about the prophet's “fine print”.

There is a great difference between GOD being our SOURCE AND SUPPLY who blesses our hands as we work, and GOD just DUMPING WEALTH UPON YOU to prove HIS LOVE. My father and my grandfathers taught me that what I earn for myself I will appreciate far more than I would being given something. THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL often never speaks of working, budgeting, and saving. If GOD IS BLESSING YOU... why WORK? Why get an education? Why learn skills and advance yourself?

There are over 6 billion people in this world. Probably 5 billion live in poverty, without technology, or under totalitarian government. How can they accept the GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY? This point alone places it as the greatest DECEPTION we have today.

But there are others....


Bob Neumann