Teaching Collection 6

And Songs Of Deliverance in The Night - Article

Fullness Of Revelation - Article

Metron - Article

Responding (Snakes) - Article

Some Things You Just Have To Look Up Yourself - Article

The Wheel - Article

Walking in Faith - Article

 

 

And Songs Of Deliverance in The Night

Bob Neumann

A few things need to be understood and they are like ground rules to a game.

1) The Devil or De Evil One is just like God He NEVER SLEEPS!

2) If you have any level of sin within He’s got you where the sun don’t shine.

3) You have a long nights battle for life and the moment you let down your guard, He Baaaack.

4) He can appear like the very Benevolent Angel of light or God Himself... if you have no discernment you WON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

5) He will also be the storm of darkness in the night.

6) He has a plan. Wear you down and wear you out. So you will lose the fight or quit before you ever get anywhere.

7) He will use any means to get at you to cause you to stumble and then He can go in for the kill while you are down.

8) He feeds off your fears and is made stronger. Fear He can use is the type that comes when implicit trust is NOT placed in God’s hands NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE OR WHAT GOD ALLOWS TO BE IN YOUR LIFE.

9) He is ever vigilant and He is the source God uses to redefine our faith and trust in Him as Almighty alone.

10) Sometimes the only way to win the battle is to take the punch.

11) Losing the battle in no way says you have lost the war.

12) He has one of the oldest and best spy networks out there and He’s been tweaking it for as long as their have been people on Earth.

13) He uses tradition to indoctrinate you to commit sin in the name of the Lord and thus you break the commandment that speaks of not taking the Name of the Lord in vain.

14) He does not play fair. He is not above trickery. He will lie about what He knows or exaggerate things to bring them out of proportion and cause you fear and stumble.

15) He will use the Word or Scripture itself to manipulate you into the position of :

a) fear from lack of trust in God

b) disobedience to the scriptures actual intent or the scripture as has been previously spoken into your heart by the Holy Spirit.

c) rebellion to the call of God from the Throne of Grace.

d) lack of vision from on High which leads to death spiritually.

All of these are positions in which He can make you stumble, make you have sin within, make you have possession of a lie or cause you to not understand what God wants. And though God alone judges the heart the end result is always the same... you lose the battle.

This is all at the personal level however. Now at the corporate level He has only one plan and being the brilliant military strategist that He is, only God is better, He uses the timeless tradition.

DIVIDE AND CONQUER!

But how?

1) Clicks, those small exclusive little groups of all our favorite friends that are our comfort zone among mankind that disallow for others because they are NOT our TYPE.

2) Disagreement that becomes a major issue that divides into camps of opinion.

3) Disagreement that come between friendships cause the old falling out and the arrogance or being right that prevents the friendship from ever being reconciled!

4) Prejudicial assessments of those who do things different from you.

5) Unwillingness to learn about others which is selfishness at its’ best.

6) Unwillingness to communicate with others in a manner that promotes relationship which is also selfishness.

7) Social Preference which is also selfishness.

Clicks leave others out who can contribute to the Body as a whole they also isolate from the whole and thus the Body is deprived the contributions of the click. You see it works both ways. Clicks are a wall. They have no place among the believers for they are a manner of the world.

When there is disagreement pride of opinion steps in and humility like Elvis leaves the building of the heart and a wall of inclusion/ exclusion is built depriving both parties the contribution of the other. Also it deprives the Body as a whole the Glory of conformity to Christ whose disagreement was righteous and greatest yet He humbled Himself and died for mankind anyhow.

Prejudice is NOT just a racial thing. Prejudice is the prejudgment based on first impression or better called a snap judgment, which is usually wrong. A prime example is the history of the prophet. The prophet was hated as holier than thou in BOTH TESTAMENTS! They are stereo typed as holier than all, arrogant, bad news bearers, hard and unbending, and or selfish exclusionists. But most are broken people who cannot for whatever reason become a real part of the Body and are always on its perimeter as watchmen or sheepdogs.

Two of the worst ones though are the very self-centered unwillingness to communicate or in the vernacular “reach out” with others and the ideology of social preferences which by the way is a form of prejudice based on social stereotyping.

The first can have valid causes and sometimes is indicative of hurts unhealed or may ultimately be the result of becoming victimized by the clicking and prejudices of another. The second is usually learned from the community or the family as in racial prejudice. Or can also be the result of a traumatic experience or a bad relationship and sour grapes. Either way you have been divided and Satan can now conquer you.

 

 

 

Fullness Of Revelation

Bob Neumann, 2004?

To be REFINED by FIRE, Stephen requires being willing to STAND BEFORE HIM...in HIS PRESENCE. To hear HIS VOICE and to give ANSWER. But to KNOW...to UNDERSTAND requires a price on our part. A price few want to pay.

I can not really blame them....the greatest of FEARS any human has is THE UNKNOWN. And if they really do not know who they say they serve....they are lost and alone in the DARK.

How do you KNOW the security of HIS HAND until HE PLACES you in THE CLEFT OF THE ROCK? How do you KNOW the strength of HIS HAND until HE pulls you OUT OF THE PIT and PLACES YOU ON HIGH GROUND?

Really Stephen, until they are IN HIS PRESENCE it is just cute music and polite talk....it will never be real. There is no way you or i can get anyone there by our words, prayers, screams and rants. So we sit and wait, hoping some will call out in time. They have no clue how we grieve for those we have been "shown" who will be found lacking and unaware.

Tonight, Shabbot during THE DAYS OF AWE, i hear a song. It sings my lone desire....HIS PRESENCE.

 

I want to go where the rivers cannot overflow me

Where my feet are on a rock

I want to hide where the blazing fire cannot burn me

In Your presence, O God

 

Oh Steven, they love the RIVER...but do not see "the rivers" of Isaiah 43:2

When thou passest through the waters, I [will be] with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

 

I want to hide where the flood of evil cannot reach me

Where I'm covered by Your blood

I want to be where the schemes of darkness cannot

touch me

 

Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Stephen, they do not see or know THE LORD'S STRENGTH so how easily will they fall to the enemy's games?

 

You are my firm foundation

I trust in You all day long

I am Your child and Your servant

And You are my strength and my song

You're my song

 

OUR FIRM FOUNDATION....they do not have it...do they actually seek it? or is it just semantics?

 

In Your presence, that's where I am strong

In Your presence, O Lord my God

In Your presence, that's where I belong

Seeking Your face, touching Your grace

In the cleft of the rock

In Your presence, O God

 

It is in HIS PRESENCE does REVELATION BECOME REALITY. Face to FACE. Standing to HIS QUESTIONS....For HE IS MASTER and LORD...SAVIOUR AND REDEEMER … LION AND LAMB.

Paul told Timmy about it....

2 Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2 Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2 Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:

2 Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Our TESTIMONY is our willingness to DIE for HIM. Whether on our own cross....or the one the world will use for us. But to overcome is THE WORDS OF OUR TESTAMONY...that we feared not for THIS LIFE... but we FEARED THE LORD...WORSHIPED HIM ALONE... and ONLY SERVED HIM.

Before you build a tower, you add up all it will cost you...and then YOU CHOSE TO BUILD IT....even when it costs everything...which was the PURPOSE to begin with.

SHABBOT SHALOM

old dog

 

 

 

Metron

Bob Neumann

Limits and Measures, Leashes and Fences.

ABBA last night brought the term up. It is one i have known and pondered off and on for years. Once years ago someone who had "done time'' in a prophetic "school'' asked me "What is your Metron?" Now i thought he was joking. I knew what the Greek term meant, thank you Dr Strong. But i had no real idea what this person was getting at.

The question of "what is my measure?"....''what is my 'meter'?'' was something i had not put in words. Not like this "school'' was attempting to do. It was my first "exposure" to a new ''disease''. A new dialect of "christianese". Since then i have had many people ask about ''my ministry" and i had always tied "metron" and "ministry" together because that is what this fellow and the crowd he came from did. Yet in my spirit i saw it differently. Like so many things, i had a complete alternate point of view that does not fly in the winds of conformity. This was partly because of the "image" a HOLY GOD gifted me with. A LEASH.

Yesterday i received a post in response to a "thought" that was heavy on my spirit. The last few months i have been given "images" and "songs" completely unexpected and focused. In this time, i have accepted the fact i do not "understand" all what GOD is doing. Like Jeremiah, i was going through motions and demonstrations that made no sense at the time. Eventually Jeremiah got the "answers". I am still in process and it is intimidating. I do not know what these "IMAGES" mean. Especially when THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT starts exposing layer after layer of DEPTH i had no awareness of as i "went through" the VALLEY OF VISION. In this post, i received confirmation that i was not alone in the reality that i did not have all the answers. But what i also got was a "target" for my spiritman when one of those HOLY SPIRIT "buttons'' got pushed and pushed hard. Here is a lead in and the "button"... " I have such an excitement in my spirit about what God is about to turn us loose to do. Yet, I have no real, solid idea of what that is. I have a sense that it is bigger than our imaginations can even bear. But, my boundaries seem to be clear even if they are intangible.''

When i read the term "boundries" i heard that still small voice say "METRON''. My "old friend" came back to visit. In my spirit "METRON" was HIS LEASH on my collar. Being an "old dog" means i have had many such images THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT has invested in me. Now seems the time to reap what MY MASTER HAS PLANTED IN HIS FIELD. Call this HARVEST TIME.

The HEIRS OF THE KINGDOM all have a sense of "immediacy'', of ''excitement". Now when that post spoke of "GOD is about to turn us loose" it spoke deep and hard to my spiritman who sees "leash" when speaking of GOD'S MEASURE IN US. Maybe you who read this are as clueless as i have been at "HOW" and "WHAT" GOD is about to do what HE HAS BREATHED into our spirits. Yes we see in part, hear in part. So here is a piece to add to yours. BLESS THE NAME OF THE LORD.

METRON is our "measure"...in Greek. It speaks of being "weighed", placed on the "yardstick" and evaluated. It first appears in Matthew 7:2 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (KJV) Funny JESUS talks of 'weighing' in the same breath as "judging''. There is an image HE is trying to impart. Regrettably it was lost or misplaced some time ago.

Now the "WORD" of GOD explains itself if you seek, ask, knock. Typically ABBA really has no desire to make it hard and mysterious. In fact the very next time JESUS uses the term "metron" HE explains it better....later we will look at Matthew 7:2 in it's full context and it will hit harder the IMAGE a HOLY GOD needs for us to receive in this day. Matthew 23....

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

If you are getting the idea that METRON is more than MINISTRY, good. Let me take it another level. John 3...

26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. 27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Here is one of the most profound acclamations concerning THE LAMB, THE SON OF GOD. What JOHN is saying is there are no limits to HIM. REMEMBER HIS WORDS.… "ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME...." Remember the rest?

So let's take this whole image of "measure"/"limits"/"boundries" to it's fullest. Romans 12:1-3........

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. (KJV)

Unless you "catch" this "image'' the rest of Romans 12 and the gifts and ministries alluded to are "lost" to us. Paul is saying we have been given a "portion'' of "faith". In itself it is "measurable". Paul also is saying it is equally distributed to all who qualify according to the caveat of 12:1....those who are "living sacrifices". Those who are within the "boundaries" of ''reasonable service''. Here it gets interesting if you look at what Paul calls reasonable. In Greek it is the term "logikos''. It is where we get our English terms ''logical". So reasonable is a "nice" translation. As would "rational'' or ''logical". Yet in the original Greek "logikos" means "OF THE WORD". Forgive my use of capitol letters...but there is a point here. Literally Paul is saying, ignoring the comma and the "which" that the translators added, "that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice holy acceptable unto GOD is your "of the WORD'' sacrifice''. Simply Paul is saying all what GOD wants is based in HIS WORD. In essence our measure is a "boundary" established in and by HIS WORD. That is the scoop THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT has used to ''pour'' faith into each of us who are "in" "reasonable service''.

Paul speaks of grace in verse 3 before he speaks of faith. He also warns about being sober and not over evaluating ourselves. Interesting place for a warning...or instruction, if you prefer....but now for an expansion of that warning. 2 Corinthians 10:12-17

12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. 13 But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you. 14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ: 15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly, 16 To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand. 17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. (KJV)

Here are four verses that in King James we see "measure" used six times. I add measuring because it has the basic root meaning that ''metron'' has, to be "measured' '...the act of measuring. The problem is that in verse 13 and again in verse 15 the term "ametros" is used. It means litterally "without measure" the usual translation interestingly is "being immoderate". Simply put without "limits''..."out of bounds". Each time Paul preceeds it with the intimation "our" as speaking ''of man''. When he uses it as "GOD'S BOUNDRIES" he again uses "metron". The last place Paul uses this image of "measure is in Ephesians....... 4:2-16

2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. (KJV)

Paul since Romans has given us a progression of "OUR MEASURE'' and OUR REASONABLE SACRIFICE. Verse 13 is the culmination of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT'S work in us that began with that "scoop" of "faith" and now includes the grace that started us to the image of being "holy and acceptable". Paul culminates it all wonderfully as a functioning reality alive in this world....." according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. ''

Without the concept of a reality based "ON/OF THE WORD" there is no effective working/functioning of this "thing" we label as "THE CHURCH". So even if "some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers" were all together and in unity it would not ''work'' unless all stayed and funtioned within their "boundries" or "limits''. Call it "within the rules" "of the WORD".

In my case i have an "image" of a ''LEASH". It is also my "rules of engagement". What i can and cannot do. That is the "boundry'' i am allowed. The fences THE LORD has established not simply to keep me "in", but to protect me. What image(s) has HE given you? HIS WORD, as in LOGOS, clearly delineates our "code of conduct". All students are expected to follow these rules. Likewise employees are expected to conduct themselves in a way that does not place the employer in a bad public light. So shouldn't THE MASTER expect us to comport ourselves only in ways that bring HONOR to HIM? Isn't that exactly what THE WORDS OF OUR TESTAMONY is all about? In the military there is explicit standards of conduct for soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, and guardsmen. Is not the CAPTAIN AND KING worthy of our best efforts?

But where are the ''rules'' HE DEMANDS being taught and overseen as HIS WORD dictates clearly. Yes this is the time things are being "let loose". We all know it. But there are still "boundries" HE expects us to maintain. Each of us has been given the same faith, grace, and love. So where does Luke want to take us when he says  48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

If we all have the same grace, faith, love....what does he mean by "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Could this really be the "reasonable service"?  That what Luke calls "much" is really what we all get...but those who commit "much'' "they" will ask for even more? In other words, if you give all. Allow the LIVING WATERS to flow from your belly and thirsty ''man'' will ask for more.

This passage is taken from Luke's version of Matthew 24:42-51. In it he repeats an image i shared on several long weeks ago. That this duty of a servant which is stated clearly in THE WORD must now take place is now obvious. The question is whether we want to be acceptable according to GOD'S RULES, or mans?

Do we follow JESUS and learn of HIM as HE has asked us clearly in HIS WORD?

Do we take HIS rebuke of Satan and HIS declaration for ourselves?

Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

If you are ready for "strong meat" there is none better.

So now look again at what THE WORD said in Matthew. And receive HIS RULES.

Matthew 7:1-29

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. 28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. (KJV)

Strong meat? Solid fences? Well established boundries? Indeed. All properly following our measure.

Clear boundries, intanginable yes. But they are there. These are HIS DOCTRINES. SOUND DOCTRINES ALL.

What is your "METRON"? What are your "ORDERS OF THIS DAY"? By what standard will HE MEASURE YOU?

Selah shemuel

 

 

 

Responding (Snakes)

Bob Neumann

Dear Meri and the APList....]

There have been few times where everything in my spiritman groaned and struggled in relation to a post/message/word as it did to this post (Response to Cobra). Please do not take this wrong. The turmoil was not because I disagreed with what was being said. My primary desire to get people to "see" and "know". What THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT is giving us and the purpose behind it, is what DISCERNMENT is.

As I read the introduction and the anonymous posting, I was praying so hard that people would catch the salient points in their "spirits'' and not "file" it in their "minds" as interesting general "trivia". What follows is a long post responding to what two people shared on the LIST. This is offered as a "life and death" warning.

If anyone "feels" a "rebuke" personally leveled in any of these comments I apologize. When someone yells at as us as we "step into" the street it is not necessarily because that person has a grievance, an agenda, is offended, or does not like us.. It might just be because they see the MACK TRUCK we are about to step in front of, or the open manhole hidden by the darkness and the shadows. Warnings are shouted to one and all because it is the right thing to do.

 

Concerning.....all entries with the >>>>are quotes from the AP List...

Bob's comments begin with =====

 

Rarely do I post things without identifying the person. I am printing this because I felt this message of the anaconda spirit and the cobra spirit are timely and that we need to continue to understand that these things operate in our midst with the writers approval. If it is essential that you contact the writer of this post please contact the moderator.

In my own experiences with the cobra, I am learning that where I am in my spiritual walk, that I don't want to go about provoking these foul spirits, but can trust they will manifest themselves sooner or later.

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Many people never will "see" the manifestation of any "foul spirit". There is no need for the enemy to show his hands and plans. We "see" the enemy because THE MOST HOLY wants us to learn....and be functional and "purposeful". "Snakes" like the secret places. Their "strengths" is in the fact that their prey is unwary and not expecting an attack.. Snakes attack in order to eat/devour whole a prey or in defense of their lives. Snakes are not smart just too dumb to notice. .Most people "get bit" because they wander in "snake" territory and do not take precautions.

To a 10 foot diamond-back rattler, a full grown human is a threat and will "rattle" immediately to warn off a human with brains. Man with stick is more dangerous to a snake than a snake is to a man who has "knowledge/discernment".

As it is in the natural....so it is in the spirit.... to those who FEAR THE LORD....

One of the things that I am learning is that the prideful nature of the serpent is that it wants attention and when it doesn't get the attention that it desires, then it will "expose itself" revealing the true nature of the message and the spirit to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

Moderator

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Common serpents/snakes do not want or need "attention".... because it leads to people coming against them with "SWORDS"..... praying people....people of GOD. This is what I called "targeting" long ago in some posts on intercession and the "field of vision''.

BIG BUBBAS ( as opposed to common serpents) "advertise" and revel in attention. When we get these "images" of the enemy, we might consider whether it is because the demonic desires attention or is it God, the Most Holy Spirit attempting to instruct us and to bring HIS WILL and HIS KINGDOM paramount in how we are moving, acting, thinking.

Selah

The venom out of the cobra's mouth in the natural is aimed right at your eyes...it stands up on it's tail and can spit surprisingly far with accuracy. You think you are a safe distance, but you aren't. Certain species of cobra stand almost as tall as a man and can move around in this "upright" position and spit.

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Years ago I wrote this list and others about KING and SPITING COBRAS.… The main point of those posts was to differentiate between the two types/species of snakes.… constrictors and venomous. KING Cobras are the largest venomous snakes on the planet. Similarly, Pythons and Anacondas vie for the largest constrictors. "PYTHON" is the name of a Greek TITAN/Demigod.

Anyone remember the Superbowl? In India...the cobra is worshiped in their pantheon.

In the spirit, the "blindness" that this venom causes results in a total lack of true discernment. What you have left is a group that discerns only lies, suspicions, and paranoia against "outsiders" and against insiders who don't completely submit to false spiritual authority.

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The venom of the spitting cobra is a strange thing. It is corrosive, eating away at skin and tissue like an acid. If it hits the eyes it will actually "eat the eyes out of their sockets," as some herpetologists have described it. The venom scars the face and distorts the features. How many readers have run into people "crippled" and "disfigured" by the enemy?

The SPITTING is a defensive act. against threats, much worse than rattling. In this post we are dealing with the BIGGER SNAKES. To a "Big Snake", anyone who "hears'' GOD is considered a threat and they will be attacked. As in this article...all those left in that church were blinded and scarred.

Not a "happy place".

It is ugly when this spirit gains free reign through people allowing and cooperating with religious spirits.

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Are we learning that wherever GOD IS NOT that it is not pretty or beautiful....except to the deceived and deluded?

How do religious spirits gain an entrance into a group?...from only personal experience I saw this happen because of compromise, favoritism and false worship---flesh demanding and feasting on performance-based, feeling based worship...this is in no way to deny true wonderful full-hearted, stops-out worship. (Sometimes you find a group so afraid of their own flesh that they never can release to full bodied worship...in other words, you still invite a religious spirit when you refuse full worship.)

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We might consider that most "religious spirits" are human spirits........tainted seed that has grown in "good soil" their roots bitter and their fruit bad, trees not planted by LIVING WATER. Do we find that it is is so much easier to blame demons, devils, and snakes for the works of double-minded people instead of admitting that these are people who THE WORD in several places calls "false brethern" .

When compromise and jezebel/Ahab have a foothold, you begin to leave your first love, Jesus, and you have left a seething gathering of happy demons that keep inviting more.

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"Happy demons" is a cute image....nice term to roll off the tongue. Triumphant jubilation would also fit when referring to "DEAD SHEEP'' from the enemy's point of view.

Jezey and Ahab were not the problem in Ephesus. They did hate AHAB/THE NICOLAOTINS. These people left their "first love" because they took their "eyes" off HIM....got distracted and into "secondary works"....therefore "a second love"........ They, like us, are called back to their "first works" which come forth out of our "FIRST LOVE" .....which is another subject in itself, which I won't go into.

I saw control rise up in a fleshy attempt to stave off the influence of this spirit. When you have a man or group with NO true discernment insisting on authority and control, it is a frightening and very damaging experience.

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We are coming to learn that this is the expected outcome for the enemy.......DIVINING SPIRITS.....NICOLAOTIN OVERLORDS..... THE WHORES OF YOUR BABYLONS..... nothing new under the SON.....just Hebrews 5:12-14 trying to lead us to and through Hebrews 6.

Jezebel/Ahab influence is little league compared to this experience. But Jezebel came first (this is not just a woman's spirit...PLEASE!) Because jezebel/Ahab spirit hates the discernment of the prophets, the truth isn't permitted to be spoken and the way is paved for these stronger, more ruthless spirits. The prophets are driven out of that particular local body...and some leave at a full run. Prophets leave, truth leaves, discernment leaves.

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I disagree that Jezebel came first. Jezy and Ahab, as we want to refer to "them"....are "aspects"...."labels" of "IMAGES" that have specific "PATTERNS" and "SEQUENCES OF EVENTS".... THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT reveals them to us to learn and to grow....to comprehend the enemy's motives and methods. Sometimes it is hard to see that what we are dealing with is "people".....humans deceived and deluded....or worse.... submitted and serving the enemy by their free will.... just as we, I hope, have chosen to submit and serve YHVH ADONAI ELOHIM....

In the world of religion and church, there is little TRUTH....lots of religion. Few churches in AMERICA believe in an active HOLY SPIRIT or THE VOICE of GOD.... Few believe in PROPHETS....some churches do....but few.... It is in your average charismatic / Pentecostal / messianic / prophetic / apostolic church that the events the anonymous writer alludes to might happen, where intercessors are dispersed and the "prophets" leave. I always thought PROPHETS were sent? For a purpose? You might ask the question then "Who lives in the PALACE? What kind of WATCHMAN is "driven" out? If THE TRUTH is not spoken is it because THE SERVANTS are muzzled and killed? Soldiers and servants leave when ordered....or fight to the end.

Jesus, picking up your cross daily, and sanity seem left far behind in this situation. But I must say Jesus has not abandoned individuals still in this little group...it is a fight to the death and the ones that "endure" in Him come out stronger for it.

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What does not kill us makes us stronger...and hopefully a little smarter.

JESUS said to all that HE WOULD NEVER LEAVE OR FORSAKE HIS OWN....HE DOES NOT LIE.... DEATH always is the outcome when left "IN THE FIRE''... This is HIS PURPOSE for putting us there to begin with.

I would like to add that an anaconda spirit tried very hard to silence me as I kept speaking the truth from a distance to 2 friends that were still in this fellowship. It was a day long, physical, crushing experience centered in the lower ribs. It was protecting it's territory, squeezing the life out.

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When we tread in dangerous grasses, the beasties will take notice and act. It is called "self-preservation". If we are "sent" into the grass by THE KING, we need to be armed and armored and aware at ALL TIMES. Snakes live in the grass...the jungle...the desert...and the sea. It is their "territory"....and we are considered the interlopers /invaders /aggressors.

Remember,...snakes are high protein and taste like chicken....I have many recipes.......

I also first began to learn a little about "leviathan" in my association with this little fellowship. What was posted to the A/P about leviathan was simplistic and naive compared to the fierceness/destructiveness of this dangerous power. But, that's why a fellowship needs prophetic intercessors and watchmen on the wall...or "seers" as Kathy Walters calls them.

GOD wants obedient servants....the rest follows. In the midst of all that has been written on the "leviathans"....and everything else.... over and over, one thing we keep doing is taking our eyes off THE KING looking at situations.. THE WORD tells us times will be perilous.... evil will wax worse....deception and delusion will abound.....

WE ARE WARNED and TOLD TO BE WARRY and SOBER and VIGILENT for the enemy is prowling "like a"...coming "like a"....

I wonder then why we are we hearing "words'' about revivals... signs... visitations… blessings...prosperity when we are called to endure the "battle"?

Not everyone is given the fortitude/maturity to deal with these things, so we rely on those that have it.

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Amen! All those who have a little of each are called to share what they have. Some of us have shared and have invested much time and have received many wounds to share on this forum and others. It seems like we make the same warnings and teach the same lessons over and over.....as if it is a "new" class.... Or are students being held back because they never learned the first time?

(moderator comments: perhaps both is true...many of the AP list were not on this "forum" when many of Bob's things were first posted. In many ways it is a "different audience. Concerning those who are the same, many have grown up and are able to "hear" things today that they didn't have ears to hear a year or two ago. Others fall into the category of those Peter spoke to when he said, I don't tell you these things becuase you are ignorant of them, but because you need to be reminded of them..to hear them over and over. Leaders are called to forebear with the people/children of God, to walk with them as they grow up. I am glad that God doesn't just tell me once and then never reinforce what He has told me.

We don't raise our physcial children that way and neither does God. Similarly we don't expect our children to always jump up and down and say, Thank you mom and dad, when we "introduce" them to a new level of responsibility and understanding. I thank Bob for being available to remind us of things that have been spoken to us in the past and to give us a refresher and update. If you want to know more about what Bob taught on the AP list and elsewhere, feel free to write to him and ask if he will send you copy or direct you to those materials if you can't find them on the two websites listed below

This information is not for the faint of heart or those on milk. It seems like a dream to me now that it is over. The surprise to me was the authority I gained after the battle. Previous to this I was one to say we already have all authority in Jesus' name (which we do)...but we don't know how/when to use it and learn as we walk/mature.

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2-3 years ago I wrote a lot for the APList about discernment....vision....armies of GOD. (http://landru.myhome.net/cmjhburl/Neumann.html#The Armies of God, link doesn’t work anymore, read it here http://www.mikkojokitalo.fi/438109901)

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I shared "visions" and "words" and paid the price for confronting dragons..

Most of these are posted on the Web --

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We are in THE YEAR OF THE DRAGON for 50% of this world.... I have warned whenever told to do so

selah

old dog

 

IN Response to the David Wilkerson piece: BOB NEUMANN

Today someone sent me a transcript of a message given supposedly by David Wilkerson. It sounded like his usual self. Same scent and flavor. It certainly was timely and purposeful. It was of GOD. In it he quoted Zephiniah 3:18. Zephiniah 3:17 has long been one of my favorite verses once i realized ABBA was serious when HE SAID HE LOVED ME. So the post hit all my buttons.

As usual i "selahed". I "chewed" and "mumbled" on what i read and decided to "wait" and "listen". What i heard was..."many voices and many breezes". Not a big and profound utterance....just a "seed". A term i myself had used hour earlier. The fact that David used it in his sermon and in the same context i was using it is the "key" and i went looking. What i found was not even close to what i was expecting.

I got "reminded"....hold on to that "word/term" as we go on. I was forced to relive a time and a place where i spoke to a group of "prophetic people" and announced their "being drafted" as "enforcers of THE KING'S PEACE''. Regrettably most who heard it did not even try to catch it. Which is why we are where and how we are. Covering old territory....

Isaiah 61:3 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. (KJV)

We say we want to "praise"..."worship"...."glorify" THE LORD. In reality GOD don't want words...verbage... HIS WORD says He wants action. "THE PLANTINGS OF THE LORD" is not a loose metaphor or "spiritual sounding" catch phrase. It is the outcome of obedience...

Psalm 1:1-6

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. (KJV)

Funny how clear it seems from GOD'S POINT OF VIEW.....and the reward of those "appointed". In Isaiah 61:3 there is one of those reality clunkers we hear all the time....THE SPIRIT OF HEAVINESS. Typically it is preached as a negative thing. A "demonic" spirit like we talk about so often. One of those "many voices and many breezes". But is it? When i gave that message it was previewed by the recounting of a "vision". In that "vision" i was "reminded" that THE KING OF KINGS is THE LORD OF THE GENTLE BREEZE....and the "rough and tumble".....that HE "IS" THE KING OF THE JUNGLE.

"Reminded"...."many voices, many breezes''.....''discernment''.......do we REALLY KNOW HIS VOICE? Or can i say "VOICES"? how about the "VOICES OF GOD"?....when we are used to "VOICE".....

Ephesians 4:4-7 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. (KJV)

Paul says there is ONE SPIRIT....THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT....

Isaiah gives us more.....when speaking of the MESSIAH to be born....Isaiah 11:1-3

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: (KJV)

Here we have a multilayered image of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT....then we have another WITNESS...

Revelation 4:5 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. (KJV)

So just maybe we can go back to Paul for help....

2 Timothy 1:7 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (KJV)

A "sound mind" is an important thing...but it is only part of a whole....Romans 12:1-3

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. (KJV)

Titus 3:5-7

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (KJV)

There is so much distraction and perversion in and of the world around us, are we really listening to GOD? Or have we tuned everything out and running on past memories of HIS VOICE. Even worse, are there people following people who claim to hear HIS VOICE? Is the FAMINE in our Land that bad? It seems to be so. Could it get any worse?

Concider THE WORD OF GOD and ponder.....

Isaiah 19:11-16

11 Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?

12 Where are they? where are thy wise men? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt.

13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.

14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

15 Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.

16 In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it.

(KJV)

ISAIAH SAYS.....GOD MINGLED a "perverse spirit" in the midst of those who were "fools".....who say in their heart there is no GOD....that say GOD cannot or will not when GOD SAYS HE IS/WILL....

Romans 8:14-16

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (KJV)

ABBA is serious....SO is THE LAMB.… "many voices, many breezes".....what are HOLY....and what are not. How to judge? When weighing people and the things they say....preach....teach....pray..... Galatians 5:18-26

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. (KJV)

This last week has not been "nice" in the so called "prophetic world". Lots of "other voices" have been talking about many things. Down wind of such has not been pleasant. Paul ends this exhortation with a sobering warning. This happens when we fail to "live" and "walk" in THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. Below is another point Paul tried to make.....

Ephesians 5.....

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

We "prove" what is acceptable when THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT is manifest in our lives.........

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

So don't play with the enemy..."reprove" them does not mean "dialog".....but if you are not walking in TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSNESS, and GOODNESS....your "words" have nothing behind them and will be flung right back at you with venom. so KNOW where you stand before HIM....

it would also be nice if HE TELLS you to "reprove" and "correct'' and not your own Idea, Quest, or Ministry.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

NO WALK....little room to talk....proves you might have more in common with fools than with HEIRS of the kingdom. So "wise up'' is good advice to all.

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

HIS KINGDOM COME, HIS WILL BE DONE.....leaves nothing for us to hang personal opinions or agendas.

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Submitting to strangers on the internet is not an easy thing for anyone. Unless they are dead and have nothing left to lose. So don't expect electronic christians to be any more "holy" then the people in the building every Sunday. Nor should we expect "internet prophets" to stand down when questioned. Attacks are the norm when you shake their "tree".....so expect it. And don't get bent out of shape when long and hard shaking only causes "snakes" to fall off the branches and strike you often and hard. You were playing their game anyway.

We were called to pray....to intercede for the brethren....to "witness" to the world at large....to share the "good news" by our lives as well as our words. TO MOURN IN ZION and BE MARKED because we have chosen to serve a HOLY GOD even while enslaved in EGYPT or bound in BABYLON is the heritage of those who OVERCOME. All who have done so...will do so....have felt the weight of HIS YOKE....felt the "spirit of heaviness" for a season. So what if it is a long season....hard season. TO MOURN IN ZION is not bad when we are ONE with HIM.

selah

old dog

 

 

 

Some Things You Just Have To Look Up Yourself

Bob Neumann

Dear WPA,

In a past post i suggested Isaiah 30 as an area in need of study. It was ignored and "countered" with Rev 2:2-6.

Strange juxtaposition...but that is okay...considering that there is an enemy out there pulling strings on people all the time. So we should know how the enemy actually is fighting against the remnant. Personally, if "someone" is out to kill, steal, and destroy you, it would make sense to prepare for these attacks.

Someone was kind enough to send me a personal email and supposedly quoted Rev 2:2-6....and asked "where is the love"...

These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;

I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Two problems...first is that this scripture is not from Rev 2....It is Rev 3....and second it does not actually explain why they are asking "where is the love".

Now if they had actually quoted the Letter to Ephesus, and not SARDIS....the issue would have been loosing THE FIRST LOVE...

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

So even though this person mixed up their scriptures real badly in order to prove "their point"... even if i lack THE LOVE they want me to show...at least i still HATE THE NICOLAITINS.

But let's say that old dog is encamped in SARDIS... i have written just that 10-20 times in the last 5-6 years...so it does not bother me that someone wants me there. Verse 2&3 are great trash talk...but even in Sardis there is a remnant...

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Well, it is nice to actually read scripture and be open to RHEMA...but to quote...or misquote... without actually saying what you are meaning is hard to discern. And discernment of WHAT GOD WANTS is hard enough, to discern people's agenda is impossible.

Unless THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT raises RED FLAGS...

selah

dog

 

 

 

The Wheel

Bob Neumann

Imagine a bicycle wheel with the spokes leaving a central hub out to the rim. On the rim each of us sit and the 'spoke' is the VOICE of THE FATHER that connects us to THE KINGDOM.... THE HUB. To either side of us we may see fellow spokes and we can see how we interact with them. But for the wheel to turn properly all the spokes must be attached to the HUB. Whatever is seen from our vantage point is what the FATHER chooses to give us.

We have learned that the RIM is one piece. And what the VOICE of THE FATHER speaks to one can be for all. But not always. To hear a WORD given to another and to appropriate it without the FATHER speaking into our hearts is an attempt to steal someone else’s blessing. To attempt to utilize another's directions in ministry is an attempt to steal their anointing.

The greatest danger is the 'track' we leave as the wheel moves. Others see the 'track' that we leave and attempt to reproduce it. Because the world only sees our 'tread mark' it has no other KNOWLEDGE of the FATHER than what HIS SPIRIT marks them as we ''pass through'' their territory. The deceptions that look and sound like the FATHER when HE has not spoken will deceive many who choose to hear the deception. But then pass it on to others.

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Bob's summary of how to express your understanding of judging prophecy.

1..It's GOD and hitting me solid where I need it.

2..It's GOD and is for a group/congregation/area....

3..It's GOD and is for the body....

Now take it to a personal level...

1..It's GOD and aimed where I live...

2..It's GOD and it isn't meant for me...bless them....

3..It's GOD and I have no idea or clue.... ABBA said it and not to/for me...

4..It isn't GOD.... period. (Fill in the blanks)..

 

 

 

Walking in Faith

Bob Neumann

Dear Meri and the APList,

About a week ago i started to walk in an aspect i had never perceived. Quite frankly it was something i had hoped for, but was not what i had anticipated. It is not easy to do things that are questionable to your own understanding. More so when you know it will be both controversial and contentious to the point where you may alienate even those you care for.

Yet the assaults on your body, mind, spirit and family are such that everything is attempting to make you stop and only that "VOICE BEHIND YOU" keeps instructing. I know it is a job that must be done and no one else has done it.

As far as i know....and i had looked a long time.....

I was told it was time to make war.

I was told who the enemy was.

I was told what the enemy's tactics were.

I was told to ''get it done''.....

No confirmations....no cute short cuts. Just those doubts that gut kick you when all you hear is silence after the first volley is fired. All i had was the awareness that it had to be done before ""KREMMLING"". As i shared with Marsha the news from the homefront is such that i might be coming alone and with a one way ticket. But that was not faith speaking....just the pain from the backlash my household is receiving.

I really do not have the faith to do this. never have....never will. All i have is a CAPTAIN who does things HIS WAY.

I sent out the First Assault on THE STRONGMEN entitled THE DIVINING SPIRITS.....even my friend Trey was not sure. and ABBA put us together almost 7 years ago. Now ABBA throws me a bone....from you Meri. I hope you will post this....but as always it is at you discretion. I know that you too have been ''feeling the enemy's rage''.

Let's go to your letter of this morning.....to finish my ''job'' i need to address these issues.

We went to a local church tonight that was having a guest evangelist. He had a good message of encouragement. And then he called for the saints to come seek after God. Maybe it has been too long since I was in this kind of an atmosphere. There were so many preconceived ideas there about HOW to seek God.

At this point i think most of us can nod our heads in full agreement. We yearn for HIS PRESENCE corporately. We who know HIM want everyone else to also. Yet in spite of those ''preconceived ideas'' they were not getting there. GOD was sure trying.....but

they did not succeed and could not ''find him''. ALL NOISE AND MOTION....JUST LIKE MT CARMEL AND THE PRIESTS OF BAAL. That is a ''one liner'' Meri straight from the THRONE....hard one....

Where did they dig up this ''stuff''....not from GOD.

There was screaming and hollering and wailing...everyone trying to "press in to the supernatural" as the Evangelist put it. I had felt a restraint from going down to the altar and just sought God in the pew where I stood. He met me. Did I press in to the supernatural? While I have no idea what the guy was talking about or referring to, I knew my God and His presence clothed me and pressed in on me and brought to a place of increasing peace and rest IN HIM.

GEE SIS.....you answered your own questions. All this guy did was give a "good message of encouragement''. Falls far short of ''an anointed and timely WORD....." don't it. And why couldn't he just say "press into GOD''.... there is a whole lot of supernatural that ain't of GOD. And that is exactly what he was ''marketing''. Meri....DAUGHTER OF ZION....you were restrained from ''joining'' with the Divining Spirits. And you ''know'' that whatever is not HOLY is not of GOD. You who know HIM are not in darkness....you are ONE with HIM.

I quoted JAMES in just that....James 4:6-10 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double minded.

9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and [your] joy to heaviness.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Oh Daughter of Zion you drew nigh to ABBA and ABBA pulls you in and won't let go. The poor sheep were being told to draw on anything they could find in the supernatural. They did what they were told and got nada. Why? Should the evangelist be judged? Should the sheep have been treated better?

The evangelist kept saying...isn't someone going to make contact with the supernatural?  What realm he was referring to I don't know.. I know he really wanted God...but the presence of God was flooding that place, and yet people seemed oblivious to it.

Meri, i thank ABBA for your tenderness. Did the boy even have a clue? Obviously he did not make contact....he had no PEACE....all he had was motions to go through. Meri...how can you serve GOD and call youself any title and not "KNOW" HIM? You say he really wanted GOD. IS ABBA SO HARD TO FIND.

Meri....people oblivious to ABBA....THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT is the norm. We all have struggled with it. Accept it sometimes. Mourn a whole lot about it. I was about to think that only I was sensing His mighty outpouring.

Then when nearly everyone was done... the piano player had changed, the evangelist was wandering around...He raised up a song. There were three voices that began to sing unto the Lord as someone quietly played as the Spirit moved at the piano. You know what? It didn't change what anyone was doing. They went about their business as usual, talking and laughing while the beautiful song of the Lord wound its way through that sanctuary.

Meri...there are sheep among the GOATS....there is always a remnant. I really hope that this evangelist joined in the song. All there was of the remnant noticeable was a piano player....three voices....and you from how i am reading this.

Everyone else were busy doing ''stuff'' to notice....or care.

There had been fire present early in the evening and healing, and now the sweet, sweet song of the Lord was raised up.. and no one paid any attention. Oh, Holly asked me if I was one of the ones singing.. but most just wandered out.. the evangelist sat talking with a hurting teen....

Looked like he found a place to do his ministry....but was it of GOD.... or a Divining Spirit that targeted an easy one? Where did he eventually press in? I'll leave that with ABBA....

''There was fire present''....and it went out easily. Holy Fire does not go out easily. ''No one paid attention''....selah.

Others meandered out on their way home.. others joked and laughed...while the Song of the Lord was quietly and beautifully raised up. Finally the song ended, the piano quit playing. The presence of God was so powerful! But no one seemed to notice.

This surely is an indictment on so many....so many....

I felt encouraged to go ask the evangelist if I could pray for him....and he said yes.. and I did.. but while there was a sweet, sweet sense of his presence....I wasn't sure if the young man didn't miss that, too.

Once again you gave me my answer....he missed all THAT GOD HAD DONE.

This hurts SIS....how can we be so close and never notice?

For it wasn't with great sounding words that I prayed or with great intensity....for I knew that it was God that was performing His word that I spoke so I didn't have to add anything from out of Meri...but could quietly speak what God put in my heart. God wants to do something in this evangelist's life...send a new anointing...but I am not sure he will receive it.

Sad....any anointing would seem to be new....but will he receive it? And we can not shove it down their throats can we??? I know....bad joke....desperate joke....

Maybe he is satisfied with what he had....don't know.

How many times are we like this? God comes with something new and we don't want it....we don't recognize it...it comes in a different way, in a different vessel, a different form than we expect.

Meri, how about saying GOD comes and we do not notice?

Either because we had never ''met'' HIM BEFORE..... or we had hardened our hearts till we could no longer see or hear HIM? Either way it is hard to cope with.

I doubt if anyone who interacts with the AP List has not had an experience similar to what you shared. All i keep asking is why? Now wherever you were had at least one pastor type hanging around....the original piano person and whatever worship team....where were they? Elders....deacons....5 folders....intercessors.... any saints?

Just three voices.... ABBA....SON....SPIRIT..... where were the people?

Not at HIS FEET it seems.....

Selah.....so i wonder why we are doing what we are doing sometimes. Maybe all the time..... because ABBA asks?

THE KING COMMANDS?

The SPIRIT of THE LIVING GOD LEADS?

Yup....no other reason to do anything is there?

dog