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Teaching Collection 4

Strange - 2004 - Article

040404 0404 - A Day And An Hour We Know Not - 4/2004 - Article

The Day After Tomorrow - 5/2004 - Article

Between The GREEN and The GRAY - 6/2004 - Article

TEOTWAWKI - The End Of The World As We Know It - 6/2004 - Article

Wise and Foolish - 6/2004 - Article

Bonnie And Charlie - 8/2004 - Article

Prophecy And Political Positions - 8/2004 - Article

Prophetic Inconsistencies - 8/2004 - Article

The First House, The Last House - 8/2004 - Article

All Those Turkeys - 11/2004 - Article

Being Under The Altar - 12/2004 - Article

The Humongous End Time Revival - 12/2004 - Article

Strange

Bob Neumann, 2004 ,

Well it is 4:44 again and i go on line and find a PHOTO where flags cover a wall and 60, 60, 60 looks like 666....to some people. Now if the cameraman would shift 10 feet over it might have caught 000. But that would not mean anything i could think of, so that might mean i am not spiritually minded enough to see something spiritual in 000.

A few weeks ago i sent a post to the WPA about new TV programs. Quite a few "strange" ones have come out. But three of them especially have peaked my interest. Much more so than purposely looking for "666".

On Monday there is a program called "SURFACE". Some kind of MONSTERS have come out of the depths of the ocean. They seem to come from egg pods that are semi-luminescent. The "babies" look like lizards/reptiles.

But they are supposedly mammalian according to a dead one they find. The big momma is 300 feet long and has big teeth....and my immediate thought...LEVIATHAN.

They seem to be hungry.

The next two programs are about extra-terrestrial conquest of planet Earth. ABC has "INVASION" on Wednesday nites. Get the premise on this one....

A Hurricane hits south Florida and under the cover of the storm these lights fall from the SKY. Seem to be able to take over people's bodies. They also seem to be drawn to authority types. But the government and military are keeping a tight cover on things.

The third is CBS on friday nite..."THRESHHOLD". This one is a little less typical. Here the aliens are changing HUMAN DNA. Uses an AUDIO SIGNAL.They are multidimensional .… appearing to be able to move through both space and time. The "hook" here is a MARK that burns itself into computers, radar and other electric stuff. A "triscalion"...speaking of "666".

Now all three are one word titles. All three are very different in structure...except for one thing. GOVERNMENT COVERUP. In all 3 we have the world in "deep do-do" but do not know it yet. And in all three...if i could bet...it would not be for "our side"...especially THRESHHOLD.

STRANGE...that this season about 14 new programs have a strange "bend" in them. From LEVIATHAN...to UFO's... to MONSTER HUNTERS...to people talking to "ghosts".

Personally i am waiting for CHICKEN LITTLE....i wonder if he will do better than TOM CRUISE?

I'll buy the popcorn

dog

04/04/04 04:04 … A Day And An Hour We Know Not

Bob Neumann, April 1st 2004

Dear Stephen,
At 0404 am on Sunday Morning i will be "on duty" in the ICU here in North Carolina. 0404040404.....in HEBREW the letter DALET is the fourth letter of the ALEPH-BET.
It is also the NUMBER ""4"". In the GAMATRIA DALET represents THE DOOR. While Ms Ames covers a whole lot of territory in the posting.....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Watchmen-Prophets-Assembly/message/10063

I had a very funny thought.....seeing we are to "spring forward" between 1am and 2am... wouldn't 0404040404 actually be 0304040404? Or does it really matter?

I guess what has disturbed me over the last 6 months has the "dates" of anticipation that have been declared so frequently. All seem to have passed without happenstance.

A year ago we were awaiting the invasion of Iraq....until it happened. Now no one had a doubt it would occur. The only real questions where "when" and "where". For 15 years we have known about the NEW MADRID FAULT... For 5 years the US GEOLOGICAL UPDATES have warned about YELLOWSTONE... And i remember when Hollywood put out HIGH IMPACT and ARMAGEDDON the same summer. So the fact that "something" will happen is just a matter of "when" and "where".... Yet Y'SHUA went into quite a few details. So did Jeremiah, and Isaiah, and Daniel, and Joel,....ELIYAHOO said "it ain't gonna rain". How long before they noticed? AMOS said there would be a "famine in the land". Anyone notice?

MYSTICAL IMAGERY is all well and good....0404040404....how about 24:42.…

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing

In spite of everything the "servants" who are "wise" and "faithful" will serve "meat in due season". For almost a year i have stayed away from the WPA for a number of reasons. I wished "obedience" was the primary reason. If it were i would have left 7 months sooner.
The issue is, why now?

For me the last 31 days have been filled with images and patterns. As I look at the WPA you had 267 posts. I tried to go through what the "brothers" and "sisters" were sharing, but it seems i failed to find common ground. That bothers me that i am so "off base".

For years i have enjoyed the flow of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT in the IMAGES, PATTERNS, and SEQUENCES of scripture. Below i placed a link and a page about the "DALET". Yes, it is founded on HEBREW MYSTICISM. But some may find it interesting.

So between now and Monday morning i will be busy so i will leave the internet till then. Twice a week is enough to clear out my mailbox without undue headaches.

selah
bob
http://www.inner.org/HEBLETER/dalet.htm

DALET
Selflessness
The dalet. The poor man, receives charity from the rich man, the gimel. The word dalet means "door." The door stands in the opening of the house, the beit. In the Zohar, dalet is read as "that has nothing [d'leit] of her own." This expresses the property of the lowest of the Divine Emanations, the sefirah of malchut, "kingdom," which has no light other than that which it receives from the higher sefirot. In man's service of G-d, the dalet characterizes "shiflut," "lowliness," the consciousness of possessing nothing of one's own. Together with the awareness of one's own power of free choice, one must be aware that He gives you the power to achieve success, and not to think, G-d forbid, that one's accomplishments are "my power and the strength of my hand." Any achievement in this world, particularly the performance of a mitzvah, the fulfillment of G-d's will, depends upon Divine aid. This is especially true in one's struggle with his evil inclination, whether it be manifest as external passion, stubborn resistance to accepting the yoke of Heaven, or laziness, apathy, and the like. As our Sages teach: "If not for G-d's help he [man] would not have been able to overcome it [the evil inclination]." The Talmud describes a situation where one man is carrying a heavy object and another man appears to be helping him by placing his hands under the object, when in truth the first man is carrying all the weight. The second man is referred to as "a merely apparent helper." So are we, explains the Ba'al Shem Tov, in relation to G-d. Ultimately, all one's strength comes from Above. Free choice is no more than the expression of one's will to participate, as it were, in the Divine act. One merely places one's hands under the weight carried exclusively by G-d.

"For to You, G-d, is kindness, for You pay man in accordance with his deed." The Ba'al Shem Tov observes: Just payment in accordance with one's deed is not an act of kindness (chesed), but rather one of judgment (din)! He answers: "in accordance with one's deed," can be read "as though the deed is his." Thus G-d's ultimate kindness is His enclothing the "undeserved" reward in the guise of deservedness, so as not to shame the receiver. The Name of G-d in this verse is Adnut, the letters of which also spell in Hebrew dina, "judgment," implying the Divine guise of judgment, through which G-d's kindness (chesed) is most fully expressed. The Zohar reads chesed as chas d'leit, "having compassion [on] the dalet," i.e. he who possesses nothing of his own. In regard to an arrogant person G-d says: "I and he cannot dwell together." The door to G-d's house allows for the humble of spirit to enter. The door itself, the dalet, is the property of humility and lowliness, as explained above. The dalet is also the initial letter of the word dirah, "dwelling place," as in the phrase "[G-d's] dwelling place below." Thus the full meaning of the dalet is the door through which the humble enter into the realization of G-d'sdwelling place below.
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FORM
Two lines forming a right angle, with a corner point. A man bent over.

Three levels of bitul.

Worlds:
* The corner point: Consciousness of the ego.
* Bitul HaYeish.
* Every creature's unconscious awareness of its continuous re-creation by G-d.

Souls:
* The vertical line: selflessness.
* Bitul Bimtziut; "Standing crowded."
* Collective consciousness; willingness to sacrifice one's life for one's people.

Divinity:
* The horizontal line: submergence of the soul in its Divine Source.
* Bitul Bimtziut Mamash; "Prostrating wide."
* Letters being surrounded by white parchment. Willingness to sacrifice one's life for G-d.
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NAME
Door; poor man; lifting up - elevation. Worlds:
* Door--bitul, the entrance way to truth.
* The servant who refuses to go through the door of freedom.

Souls:
* True lowliness of the soul.
* The moon as a symbol of the soul.

Divinity:
* The elevation of the soul by G-d into Himself.
* "I will exalt you, G-d, for you have lifted me up." Not belonging.
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NUMBER
Four
Worlds:

* Four elements of the physical world: fire, air, water, and earth.
* Solid, liquid, gas, combustion.
* Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen.
* The four physical forces: gravity, electromagnetic, strong, weak.
* Man, animal, vegetable, and inanimate objects.
* Four seasons of the year; Four directions.
* The four worlds: Atzilut, Beriah, Yetzirah, and Asiyah.

Souls:
* Four matriarchs: Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, and Leah.
* Jacob's four wives: Rachel, Leah, Bilhah, and Zilpah.
* The four sons and the four cups of wine of the Seder
* The four expressions (levels) of redemption.
* Four feet of the Divine Throne: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David.
* Father, mother, son, daughter: the first commandment of the Torah: "be fruitful and multiply."

Divinity:
* Four letters of G-d's Name.
* Four components of the Torah text.
* Four basic levels of Torah interpretation.

The Day After Tomorrow

Bob Neumann, 5/2004

In 48 hours a new movie from Hollywood will begin it's "theatrical run". Almost a year ago I first heard the title and THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT prompted my attention to it's title. The title is "THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW". Now I am talking to you, people of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT, about the title....not the movie. For right now that is...

As I said, it has been a year since I began to ponder this title. In that year the Internet has carried forth thousands of "prophetic words", "dreams", and "visions". Certain common threads are out there for all to see. Judgment is a biggy. This includes earthquakes, nuclear attack, tidal waves, tornadoes, asteroid strikes, and invasion of the west coast by Chinese troops. Please do not limit them to these six events. Any one or more occurring will bring fear and pain enough to those in proximity.

Now there are many who have "shared" these images. Likewise there are those who come against them for many reasons. "Spreading fear" and "panic" is a major tool of the "nay sayers". And they usually follow it by a round of "GOD" is good, loving, merciful, and full of grace. Now that is indeed true, but they never mention that "GOD" is HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, and GREAT AND TERRIBLE. Those two seem to go together well. Ask DAVID.... CLAP YOUR HANDS ALL YEE PEOPLE....

THE MIGHTY KING over all the earth has this penchant of doing things HIS WAY. Which means it is to PLEASE THE FATHER. So you can ask why all these prophetic words, dreams, and visions especially now? I have an answer, which many will not like, but that is tough on the mockers and the scorners. Scripture gives us a number of key scriptures that tell us both the HOW and the WHY these "IMAGES" have come forth over the last year.... and even longer. It is these scriptures that I have pondered the last year. All who read this posting to the Internet will probably be familiar with each of these scriptures. Whether you will have seen them in the context I will place before you may be the greatest challenge for you.

27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

This of course is Joel 2. Peter quoted from it in Acts. We all love the image of "I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH". As we should. But after that we are told of "THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY". Which is THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW.

6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

8 The lion hath roared, who will not fear? The Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?

This of course is Amos 3. Now Joel also spoke of blowing the TRUMPETS. So here we are given the simple point that GOD reveals "HIS SECRET" unto HIS SERVANTS....let me stop there for a short moment, please. There are many who use this scripture and there only focus is "the prophets". Shame on them. SERVANTS comes before prophets. At least in HIS EYES and in HIS WORD. So why so many negate this? The Old Testament abounds with FALSE PROPHETS. SELAH.

Onward....JOB 33....

12 Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.

13 Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account of any of his matters.

14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.

18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

19 He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain:

20 So that his life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty meat.

21 His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out.

22 Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.

Many have taught that JOB predates all of the rest of scripture. I will not argue because to me JOB is a special book, and JOB 33 is profound...even if it comes from one of JOB'S FRIENDS. Here we are specifically told important facts.... THAT GOD SPEAKS IN DREAMS....NIGHT VISIONS...for the purpose of instruction. But we are told that GOD SPEAKS ONCE...YEA TWICE....yet "man" perceiveth it not. So if THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT speaks and it is sealed, what is missed? THE SECOND MEANING....or PURPOSE? This the reader must decide. Verse 18 is important....

18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

See the word "AND"? It separates "his soul" and "his life".

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now I could have used Matthew 10:28 to link with JOB 33:18, but then we miss the context. Which is simply persecution. Yet we are told not to fear the events to come. We are to FEAR GOD. HE WHO SITS ON THE WHITE THRONE.

So "we" have had dreams and visions. "We" have listened and obeyed THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT, have shared them on this thing called the internet, and face to face with many. Yes I have been told over and over that we "all see" through a "glass darkly". But is that the whole or only issue Paul was dealing with?

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

To me Paul is saying that there will come a point in time where "that which is perfect is come". Few mention that point, do they?

We who have had dreams and visions, who have interceded, fasted and prayed, have shared what we "were given". But that is all today. The glass darkly I will concede. But what happen when "THAT DAY COMES"? When all that was warned by THE MASTER and the prophets takes place? What happens when the events of our dreams and visions begin to fall like dominoes? Prophetically the only TOMORROW we should be looking toward, shouting warnings of, preparing for IN OBEDIENCE is THE DAY OF THE LORD.

12 And they told to Mordecai Esther's words.

13 Then Mordecai commanded to answer Esther, Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king's house, more than all the Jews.

14 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?

For such a time as this...

Whether we like it or not, the times were set from the foundation of the WORLD. We look at today and worry and fret because of our misfortunes, our persecutions.

Yet were we not told...Matthew 6

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

We have enough "evil" today to deal with...tomorrow will come. But in all this we forget that truly there is a DAY AFTER TOMORROW...........

Revelation 19 But is all this sufficient to get us beyond the fears and evils of today to see beyond the events we are warned of? I regret to say most can not get beyond them. Maybe that is why so much of the WORD is "dark" in it's images. Maybe that is why so many "fear" judgment. Too many have been taught that judgment is wrath. But then again we have false teachers as well as false prophets...and false shepherds.... and false brethren.

All this I have pondered because of a simple movie title... THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW. but sufficient unto the day.

Selah Bob Neumann

Between The Green And The Gray

Bob Neumann, 6/2004

Last Sunday morning i had one of those strange experiences that jumped back and forth between the REAL WORLD and THE VALLEY OF VISION. Now I have been thinking on it since then and acutely aware of the flow of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT at this time. Brother Bill Somers wrote a great article called "THE SACRED COWS OF BIBLE STUDY". But it came at the right time and place for my whole attention. In our correspondence he shared with me his article on "THE ULTIMATE REPAIR KIT". It seems that both of us have been prompted to look at THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Likewise we are both concerned about the "SACRED COWS" that inhibit the growth and development of THE CHILDREN OF GOD. Sunday morning as a family we went out to lunch. We were going to meet another couple at a restaurant. This is something people do all the time. But something went wrong. I missed a turn i had made before. The problem was the "sign" i watch for "was not there". So i "got lost" for about 10 minutes. Now i knew within a mile or so that "something was WRONG". I just could not figure how i could miss my turn. That may have been the problem, i was triggering my thinker rather than stopping and turning around. I just kept going expecting to find a "familiar road". Only i did not.

Eventually i confessed to my wife i was "lost" and had to go home to "find" the "RIGHT ROAD". Only i was not sure where to turn. You have to understand that i live on the continental divide. The roads are "narrow", the usual two lanes with no shoulders. Go off the road anywhere and you have deep trouble. Eventually i came to a place to where i could "see" beyond the dips and curves of the road. What i saw was a "peak".

One of the few around Mount Mitchell. I could "see" it and it is a "landmark". Only i "knew" it was almost 40 miles away no matter which road i took. It "looked" close....but was not. Mt Mitchell is over 6000 feet high and it's sisters top 5000. I was at about 2500 feet and all I could see was the green of the peak and the gray overcast sky.

Everything just blends. Hard to differentiate distance when everything "blends together".

Eventually we found a familiar road and got home. So we started out again for our appointed lunch. Now when i came to where i "expected" to see the "SIGN" that marked my "TURN" i slowed down to a crawl. There was no sign...just green. Everything was green. Here in North Carolina we have "KUDZO". A super fast growing "ground cover" that can defy the law of gravity. The "sign"..."landmark"...i expected to see was covered by kudzo. In fact kudzo covers everything in it's path.

In the SPIRIT we have "kudzo" growing well. It covers the signs and landmarks that we have grown used to. We spirit-filled believers are cruising down our roads confident in our "memories" of what should be. Only things have changed. The coming storm has left us an overcast sky so THE SON can not be seen. And all across the land KUDZO has simply taken over and covers everything. Miss one turn and you are lost.... for awhile.

Eventually you realize that you are LOST...and then you turn around and go back. This is the idea of repentance. And you got to "go back" and find the "right road". The GREEN and the GRAY blend in the distance. We can see THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD, but not THE ROAD to get there. Many people say straight is the path. Only JESUS said STRAIGHT IS THE GATE...the PATH is NARROW. Now THE PATH can be straightened. That is the job of HIS SERVANTS.

JESUS came to show us THE WAY...THE TRUTH...THE LIFE. The only way to ETERNAL LIFE is that we "we pick up our cross and follow HIM". The only ones who can follow are those who HEAR HIS VOICE. We are at a time where there are many voices, many distorted images. Lots of places where we can miss the turn we know we have to make. But the road looks the same

When you have no idea in which direction are traveling. Sometimes you have to screech to a stop and acknowledge something is wrong. It is not fun to realize you are on the wrong road going nowhere you are sure of. It is not easy to admit you need directions to get where you desire to go. But that is why HE GAVE TO US THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. Now all we need is to listen and obey. That too is hard...sometimes.

selah

bob

TEOTWAWKI - The End Of The World As We Know It

Bob Neumann, 6/2004

Dear WPA,

Sobering images should come to us if we remember the years 1997, 1998, 1999. Now if you were like me, a believer who listened for and occasionally heard HIS VOICE, those 3 years had a little tension in them. It was a time to learn, to prepare. Many spoke of Y2K. Some heard "JOSEPH MINISTRY" or "JOSHUA GENERATION". And there were those who heard TEOTWAWKI.

What i was hearing was THE COMING STORM. But i had been hearing that Since 1988-1989. In fact the WEBSITE my brother in THE LORD Trey set up with me was titled...THE COMING STORM. I learned first hand what a STORM...SEIZMOS... could do to one's life three hours before HURRICANE ANDREW hit land. It took out our electricity. Being in a semi-dark house with 150+ mph wind tearing off your roof can but "religion" into your thoughts. Just like 9/11 did to many who "watched" on CNN, reality can show a very ugly face. But "religion" is not an answer to anything. I hope all who read this on the WPA have learned that by now.

I know Stephen has explained the VISION he was given for the WPA several times in the past. I know that Stephen Bening was raised up in "this time" and "this hour" to do this specific work. In scripture there is a vivid image of DIVINE PURPOSE in the Book of Ecclesiastes.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: Purpose is something few people speak of when they speak about setting dates. Too often we ignore all aspects of DIVINE PURPOSE as we hem and haw about times and seasons. If our only interest is HIS PURPOSE we would have neither time or energy with the things sent to distract us, diminish us, divert us from MESSIAH'S OWN PRAYER....THY KINGDOM COME...THY WILL BE DONE.

TEOTWAWKI.... THE COMING STORM.... before ANDREW i was told there would Be 3 storms. At the time i thought Hurricanes. Later i was shown a vision called The Killing of the Bull (9/1998) ....you can find it at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WPA-Prophetic-Accumulations/message/70

thanks to Stephen and the WPA.

Or C:\Documents and Settings\Mary\My Documents\My Webs\webpages\DOZE\SERIES_COLLECTION_TWO.html click on Killing of the Bull in table of contents. Doze site editor M Easterling

This vision showed me many things. Many still ask where we are in PRESENT TIME in reference to this and other visions. The best answer i can give comes from another vision.

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Watchmen-Prophets-Assembly/message/2122>

In the spirit i did not see 9/11 as some say they did. But i was told THE STORM IS HERE. I was also told it was a time to change how i both perceived and acted.

And once again i see TEOTWAWKI.

But the WORLD as we know it and are comfortable with began changing in the 1950's. Those brothers and sisters younger than me have been seeing AMERICA all ready evolving into a Humanistic Mess. You just started a little later.

If you were born in the 50's you saw Madellin Murray O'Hare challenge the CONSTITUTION. And the idea of "THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" was established. Later came Roe V. Wade. Then came GAY AWARENESS.

The world my parents and grandparents knew is long gone.

In the 50's a book called BRAVE NEW WORLD came out. It painted a bizarre future.... later came other fictional works that pointed to the world that was expected 20-30-40 years in the future. We have now reached that frame of time.

For the last 3 and a half years i have watched the FLOW of the WPA.... examined the threads. Strange how things have maneuvered and positioned over that time. Or maybe not so strange ....TEOTWAWKI.... Gas hit $2.00 a gallon. Grocery prices are climbing. Businesses are closing. SEIZMOS...storms...shakings...trouble, any way you want to look at it.

And all THE MASTER SAID TO ME the last 3 weeks was....

YOUR LAND WILL BE COVERED BY MY JUSTICE HIS JUSTICE.....

No one from the WPA has commented on it.

But i have learned to expect little.

So i wait as i started on the WPA.....RUNNING SILENT....RUNNING DEEP....

There are two old saying i want to share with you...stuff my grandfathers taught me....

WHAT DOES NOT KILL YOU ONLY MAKES YOU STRONGER...

YOU LIVE AND LEARN, OR YOU DON'T LIVE LONG.....

FOR WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO RECEIVE, LORD, MAY WE BE TRULY GRATEFUL.

Selah

Bob

Wise and Foolish

Bob Neumann, 6/2004

I remember several years ago when i was an EPHESIANS believer,

Caught up in the FIRST LOVE, the joy we all have shared i came across Dallas Holme and PRAISE. Songs like HERE WE ARE would fill my spirit and the simple joy of WORSHIP would fill me.

HERE WE ARE, PRAISING JESUS

LIFTING HOLY HANDS TO YOU

HERE WE ARE PRAISING JESUS

FOR ALL THE THINGS HE'S LED US THROUGH.

If you had a Psalm 130 experience where you called out to HIM from the depths, you have lived such lyrics. The problem is that like the believers of Ephesus too many of us lose our FIRST LOVE and settle for something else. At the same time i listened to another song by Dallas where he sang...that his friends called him a "fool" for giving his heart, mind, soul to "something you couldn't see". His answer "i'll be a fool for you Jesus, that's just what i'll be.... CRAZY IN LOVE WITH GOD ABOVE... that's all i want ta be..."

In the minds of the worldly to love THE MOST HIGH is unfathomable.

Ask Karl Marx. Ask Voltaire. Ask Hitler. But they are all dead, ain't they?

And the philosophies they birthed have all floundered.

Yet we remember the songs of a shepherd boy who made good.

We even remember his son who started good and ended poorly.

And then there was THE CARPENTER who said COME UNTO ME.

But even that had a dual PURPOSE. TO BE YOKED WITH HIM.....and TO LEARN OF HIM...FROM HIM.

1 Corinthians 3
¹⁸Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
¹⁹For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
²⁰And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

I always love to find IT IS WRITTEN in a scripture passage....well just call me crazy. Worldly wisdom in itself is useless. More than that it can destroy that which is of GOD in a believer. Ever ask why the EPHESIANS lost their FIRST LOVE?

As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

Funny that HE puts the two together..."the cares of this world" and the "deceitfulness of riches". To me that speaks of both Ephesus and Laodicea. Not a nice pair of book ends.

Deception and being deceived seems to be around a lot. Especially in places like Matthew 24. Only it is "DO NOT BE DECEIVED". So why are so many falling for the words of men and demons when THE LORD is with us? HE HAS NOT LEFT US...FORESAKEN US. Are we not THE CHILDREN OF THE BLESSING. Equal Receivers of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT? RECEIVING IN FULL

MEASURE THE GIFTS OF THE FATHER?

Or maybe, just maybe....we are not.

Jeremiah 4

²¹How long must I see the standard and hear the sound of the trumpet?
²²"For my people are foolish; they know me not; they are stupid children; they have no understanding. They are 'wise'--in doing evil!

But how to do good they know not."

²³I looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light.

THE MOST HIGH is speaking in Jeremiah 4. So that is why i use red letters. Maybe RED LETTERS should be thought of as RED FLAGS. WARNINGS OF DANGER.... of APPROACHING STORMS. Yet when THE LORD SAID COME UNTO ME... was it a warning of approaching danger?

Or was it the answer?

THE REFUGE?

Why do Watchmen blow TRUMPETS....ring Bells....sound ALARMS?

Why does ABBA send HIS SERVANTS to HIS PEOPLE?

⁷And this occurred because the people of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, who had brought them up out of the land of Egypt from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods

⁸and walked in the customs of the nations whom the LORD drove out before the people of Israel, and in the customs that the kings of Israel had practiced.

⁹And the people of Israel did secretly against the LORD their God things that were not right. They built for themselves high places in all their towns, from watchtower to fortified city.

¹⁰They set up for themselves pillars and Asherim on every high hill and under every green tree,

¹¹and there they made offerings on all the high places, as the nations did whom the LORD carried away before them. And they did wicked things, provoking the LORD to anger,

¹²and they served idols, of which the LORD had said to them, "You shall not do this."

¹³Yet the LORD warned Israel and Judah by every prophet and every seer, saying, "Turn from your evil ways and keep my commandments and my statutes, in accordance with all the Law that I commanded your fathers, and that I sent to you by my servants the prophets."

¹⁴But they would not listen, but were stubborn, as their fathers had been, who did not believe in the LORD their God.

¹⁵They despised his statutes and his covenant that he made with their fathers and the warnings that he gave them. They went after false idols and became false, and they followed the nations that were around them, concerning whom the LORD had commanded them that they should not do like them.

¹⁶And they abandoned all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made for themselves metal images of two calves; and they made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal.

¹⁷And they burned their sons and their daughters as offerings and used divination and omens and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger.

¹⁸Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel and removed them out of his sight. None was left but the tribe of Judah only.

I know that was a long passage of scripture....all 11 verses. But which verse do you cut out for brevity's sake? VERSE13? 14? 15? 16? 17? of course 18!

How about 19....

¹⁹Judah also did not keep the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the customs that Israel had introduced.

²⁰And the LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel and afflicted them and gave them into the hand of plunderers, until he had cast them out of his sight.

Because they did not keep HIS COMMANDMENTS...THE LORD THEIR GOD... REJECTED.... AFFLICTED.... GAVE OVER.... and CAST OUT..... "them".

Some people think that i write these things because i have nothing better to do. That i and others fill the WWW with "doom and gloom" because we are a bunch of panic mongers. Wackos who get their kicks by scaring people. Loonie-Tunes who have lost all sense of reality.

So why do it?

Jeremiah 26
¹In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came from the LORD:

²"Thus says the LORD: Stand in the court of the LORD's house, and speak to all the cities of Judah that come to worship in the house of the LORD all the words that I command you to speak to them; do not hold back a word.

³It may be they will listen, and every one turn from his evil way, that I may relent of the disaster that I intend to do to them because of their evil deeds.

⁴You shall say to them, 'Thus says the LORD: If you will not listen to me, to walk in my law that I have set before you,

⁵and to listen to the words of my servants the prophets whom I send to you urgently, though you have not listened,

⁶then I will make this house like Shiloh, and I will make this city a curse for all the nations of the earth.'"

Why would an eternal GOD send HIS SERVANTS...URGENTLY?

For HIS SAKE? the SAKE OF HIS SERVANTS?

Maybe HE DOES NOT WANT TO DO WHAT HE HAS TO DO....

BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

Call it JUSTICE.

We used to say...if you can't do the TIME....don't do the CRIME.

¹⁸For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

¹⁹For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."
²⁰Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

²¹For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

²²For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,

²³but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

²⁴but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

²⁵For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

²⁶For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,^[²^]not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.

²⁷But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;

²⁸God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,

²⁹so that no human being^[³^]might boast in the presence of God.

³⁰He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

³¹Therefore, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."

Like i said i love it when i read...IT IS WRITTEN....like in...

Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'"

To the worldly, it does seem foolish to worship and to serve.....

To listen and obey........

selah

bob

Bonnie And Charlie

Bob Neumann, 8/2004

Dear Friends, A few days ago I brought up the TERM "BONNIE" coming from our "ancient" language. Sister Edith asked in a personal post "Who was Bonnie Prince Charles?". Historically there was a "character" called "BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE". Today we have two named storms....BONNIE and CHARLIE....makes you wonder.

Historically "Charlie" was Charles Edward Stuart. Son of James II....king of England and Scotland. But Charlie was born in Rome. James II had been an unpopular king and was deposed by Parliament. For some strange reason they replaced him with "Good King William III" of the HOUSE of ORANGE. Which was the ruling family of the DUTCH… HOLLAND...THE NETHERLANDS. You see James II was Roman Catholic....William was a Protestant.

Bonnie Prince Charlie is called "THE YOUNG PRETENDER"...and was a descendant of Mary Queen of Scotts...who married the STUART King of Scotland. So Charlie was a direct descendant of HENRY 8TH....so legally was heir to both crowns. Now when Charlie led the Scotts in what is called THE JACOBITE Cause. The Highlanders believed in THE DIVINE RIGHT of KINGS. So many came to his banner.

What is interesting is that Bonnie Prince Charlie led an estimated army of 6000 men to within 150 miles of London.....Where George II now reigned. Prophetically what comes to me is that Scotland and her HIGHLANDERS met The ENGLISH at THE BATTLE OF Culloden Moor. Imagine the BRAVE SCOTS marching to their bagpipes claymore and targe in hand....kilts swirling...such a brave...BONNIE sight as they charged the British MUSKETS. It was a slaughter. The commander of the British was William Augustus, called THE BUTCHER OF CUMBERLAND. Because of this defeat England passed laws called THE HIGHLAND CLEARANCES that made it illegal for the clans to wear their Tartan, play the bagpipes, speak their language.

Swords and Muskets....ancient weapons....old metaphors.....logically it makes no sense having men charge sword in hand. Not long ago I watched a movie called KING ARTHUR. Men and women stood their ground against an invader that slaughtered everyone in their path. No place to run to...no place to hide. Sometimes you chose when and where you make your stand. Sometimes you have no choice.

Scripturally we have Ephesians 6....all the ARMOR is meant for is to allow us to STAND. To HOLD THE LINE....PREVENT THE DESTROYER from getting around or over you.

Why BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE? Why now? The last major dream I had everything was coming in twos.... two storms....BONNIE and CHARLIE.

Sometimes you have to wait and see....but it is interesting.

SELAH Bob

Prophecy And Political Positions

Bob Neumann, 8/2004

It is now 12 years since the Clinton/Bush campaign and it is interesting how so called PROPHETIC WORDS are once again aligning themselves. President George Bush was GOD'S MAN! He had "won the war"....He was a Christian....He was ANTI-ABORTION..…and he lost. Actually he stopped his campaign in the last 30 days and allowed Clinton to catch up from 10 percentage points behind.

But then again....how many PROPHETS said Bill Clinton was "GOD'S MAN OF THE HOUR"?

That prophesied Bill would repent and "A LIGHT" would be in the WHITE HOUSE for the whole nation to follow. Much of what is said of GW today was said about TEFLON BILL years ago.

So what gives?

Are the "prophets" speaking for GOD....or are they "following" the party spin?

Conservative Republicans are once again proclaiming they are carrying GOD'S STANDARD into battle. Yet polls say that the "church" going voters are evenly split. Right down the middle.

"Liberal" Christians are still supporting John Kerry....and THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM.

To many CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN is spelled REPUBLICAN.

Maybe the question is whether GOD is limited by the plurality of AMERICAN VOTERS?

Granted the UNITED STATES of AMERICA is the center of the universe and everything revolves around polls and plebiscites issued daily by the people buying air time on TV and CABLE.

Scripture says Eph 4:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

The United States of America is not "united" in much of anything, especially faith. Likewise if we really have "THE KNOWLEDGE of THE SON OF GOD" sin would not be so prevalent in our land.

In this "UNITED STATES" every four years we have this major contest for control of "political power".

We can dress it up all we want in religious jargon and prophetic prose but it is both worldly in content and vain in spiritual intent. Morality can not be legislated. People chose to sin or not to. Now there will be some people who will break laws both spiritual and national without giving it a thought. That is their choice. Now if people obey national law out of fear of penalty and/or imprisonment can it be called "UNITY IN THE SPIRIT"?

JESUS taught HIS DISCIPLE "IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS".

Love and Obedience follow HIM. Political agenda really has little to do with ABBA'S KINGDOM.

Four years ago THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT showed me that from HEAVEN'S POINT OF VIEW there was no difference between the DEMOCRATIC and REPUBLICAN candidates. This flies in the face of many who backed one or the other. Better yet the guys who solemnly declared "GOD'S MAN" would win the election. So it didn't matter who won because GOD WINS.....TRUE....but was that the purpose of their "so-called" prophetic word?

Today we have many who make prophetic declarations that "GW is not perfect". Big deal, that applies to all humans. We are all sinners. All in need of grace. Recently I read someone say that President Bush is being "held hostage" by the sins of America. Scripture says JESUS paid THE PRICE and set the captives free. Recently someone said President Bush had "received Reagan's Mantle" on the death of the ex-president. Sounds good to many.... but has no meaning unless Mr. Reagan was an ELIJAH class prophet. Yet people caught it and passed it from prophetic site to prophetic site.

Preaching Prophetic Accountability today will be very unpopular. But popularity is something scripture does not point for us towards. Nor are we told to struggle for political power. To win elections to political office.

We are told to go to the ends of the world proclaiming the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM and to make disciples. How far off track must a nation get before it falls off the spiritual cliff?

Selah

Bob Neumann

Prophetic Inconsistencies

Bob Neumann, 8/2004

Dear People, In the last few days some people have noted certain "PROPHETIC INCONSISTENCIES" that have floated over and through the INTERNET. Now exactly how many "prophetic sites" are out there on the WWW I have no clue. More important is that I could care less. The reason at this time THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT has me involved with two "sites".....THE WATCHMEN-PROPHETS ASSEMBLY and END TIME PROPHETIC VISION. Why these two you may ask? Because somewhere on this "road" THE MOST HIGH GOD "tied" me with Bill Somers and Stephen Bening. Why either of these two men continue to put up with me is simply that ABBA has shown me a measure of grace and favor with both of these my brothers. Logic does not fit here.

So if you expect something short and simple you can delete and move on because what is churning in my spirit is neither. Today we are in a world where most people have no clue how GOD WORKS because they have listened and learned from MAN. So how a "PROPHET" is defined and how "PROPHETIC" is seen today in the AMERICAN/ENGLISH SPEAKING church is important. Today "prophetic" can be anything that "exhorts", "edifies", "encourages", "comforts", "confirms" the church-going individual. Few mention "correct" and "chasten" because it does not help people "feel good". Many "prophetic leaders" income requires making people "feel good".....and that is dangerous.

Scripturally we have a template of what is a "prophet" as GOD intended. The "IMAGE" of WATCHMAN goes steadily along with it. And we can blame Isaiah and Ezekiel for it all.....

⁶I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
⁷And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
⁸The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:
⁹But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

In Isaiah 62 GOD HIMSELF claims placing and appointing watchmen. Their job is to annoy THE MOST HIGH with prayer and intercession. WHY? Good question. Read all of Isaiah 62. GOD MADE PROMISES....and will fulfill them. PERIOD. But in HIS TIME. So we have to ask about DIVINE TIMETABLES.…

¹¹The burden of Dumah. He calleth to me out of Seir, Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night?
¹²The watchman said, The morning cometh, and also the night: if ye will enquire, enquire ye: return, come.

Now Isaiah 21:11-12 shows GOD addressing the WATCHMAN...but the whole chapter really pivots around JUDGMENT and the FALL OF BABYLON. The Prophet Habakkuk mentions his role as "watchman"…

¹I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.
²And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
³For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

"WATCHMEN" and "PROPHETS" according to these few verses answer to GOD. Not man. Some as Habakkuk and Isaiah are given dreams and visions of THE END TIMES that will surely come. So if they all "COME FROM GOD" it makes sense if they are "consistent". Now this takes me to EZEKIEL...and the CALL....

⁴And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.
⁵For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel;
⁶Not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee.
⁷But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
⁸Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.
⁹As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
¹⁰Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.
¹¹And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.
¹²Then the spirit took me up, and I heard behind me a voice of a great rushing, saying, Blessed be the glory of the LORD from his place.
¹³I heard also the noise of the wings of the living creatures that touched one another, and the noise of the wheels over against them, and a noise of a great rushing.
¹⁷Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

What is interesting is that GOD sends Ezekiel as a WATCHMAN and PROPHET unto THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL...and tells EZEKIEL that they won't listen. Ezekiel was not meant to have a thriving, growing ministry. And he knew it. Thirty chapters later we are "told" why....

¹Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
²Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
³If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
⁴Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

Please understand that THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL had not listened to Ezekiel...or any other of GOD'S PROPHETS. Here GOD does something different. HE tells "the people" to pick their own watchman from among themselves. And when the JUDGMENT COMES...THE TRUMPET BLOWS...that "people's watchman" will be judged just as GOD JUDGES HIS OWN ANOINTED WATCHMEN. EZEKIEL hears right from THE THRONE ROOM but the "people's watchman" uses his/her natural eyes. Now Ezekiel 33 ends with a bang and 34 begins with one...

²⁷Say thou thus unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely they that are in the wastes shall fall by the sword, and him that is in the open field will I give to the beasts to be devoured, and they that be in the forts and in the caves shall die of the pestilence.
²⁸For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her strength shall cease; and the mountains of Israel shall be desolate, that none shall pass through.
²⁹Then shall they know that I am the LORD, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.
³⁰Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the LORD.
³¹And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
³²And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
³³And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

¹And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
²Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
³Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.

Now that is just the beginning of Chapter 34....it deserves being studied daily.

So why are there "PROPHETIC INCONSISTENCIES"? Because we have two sets of WATCHMEN and PROPHETS. Those sent by and who "hear" THE MOST HIGH GOD...and those who were not.

In a nutshell, that is the whole problem....nice and simple. How to distinguish between the two is a problem. Now many people like to turn to Paul to explain the lack of consistency...

¹¹When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
¹²For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
¹³And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

As far as I am concerned Paul did not write 1 Corinthians 13 as a "prophetic litmus test". Because "we" are all "immature" we are limited on what we see. This excuses all inconsistencies for most people. Explains the weird and bizarre that sometimes comes out of no where on the WWW. What Paul was saying that with faith, hope, and charity/love we can "grow up" and see "FACE TO FACE"...and to KNOW. Now who exactly are we to see "FACE TO FACE"?

Back to Paul…

¹²But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
¹³For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
¹⁴And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
¹⁵Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Like verse 15? Compare it to Matthew 6…

¹Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

²Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
³But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
⁴That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
⁵And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
⁶But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
⁷But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
⁸Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

¹⁶Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
¹⁷But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
¹⁸That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
¹⁹Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
²⁰But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
²¹For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Here JESUS has HIS WAY of GIVING...PRAYING....and FASTING. Those who do it there own way get their own rewards. As Paul said...according to their own works. Sure they "look" and "sound" religious....spiritual even. Only that is the problem, if you give, pray, fast as JESUS WANTS....no one would see or hear. No one would notice...except ABBA.

Who is exactly THE ONE we meet FACE TO FACE if we DO AS THE SON COMMANDS. NOT JUST ""WHAT""....but ""HOW"".

So how do we explain INCONSISTENCIES....simple....people saying and sharing things they either do not understand....or ......worse yet....make up as they go.

In the long run we all are to judge and weigh everything we "see" or "hear" by THE LOGOS and THE RHEMA. So we have to study the SCRIPTURE and listen to THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. Then we can pick up our own cross and follow THE GOOD SHEPHERD.

SELAH bob

The First House

Bob Neumann, 8/2004

Dear Joe and the WPA,
I was taking my wife "shopping" and running errands when THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT started sharing some staggering information with me....about the WPA. I was told that few really will take the TWELVE HOUSES seriously for 2 reasons. First C Alan Martin is not known by almost all on the WPA. That is because he stepped away from the spotlight years ago. Second is more interesting, that the people do not know....their history or their scripture.

Now it all made sense to me. But then i was told to do one thing...explain the FIRST HOUSE.

Duhh....i never looked at the FIRST HOUSE. We were in the TENTH and looking forward. As i thought about this i realized THE FIRST HOUSE and the interpretation Craig placed on it is a PARADOX.

House 1 – Truman:
Nothing significant revealed about this house.
From the sense of THE TWELVE HOUSES, THE TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION does not in itself wave any RED FLAGS. Yet during Harry's Watch a number of significant "things" occur. It is because of these "THINGS" the TRUMAN HOUSE is the FIRST HOUSE.

1945 we drop the BOMB...twice.
1945 the United Nations meet in SAN FRANCISCO.
1945 NATO PACT is confirmed as STALIN TAKES EASTERN EUROPE.
1947 ISRAEL declares it's independence.
1947 BENELUX is formed and the EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET is conceived.
1947 THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES is formed.
1949 CHAIRMAN MAO arises.
1949 Mahatma Gandi and the birth of INDIA and 2 Pakestans.

.......now all this was just off the top of my head...and a whole lot of other things occurred between 1945 and 1952.…

Outside of San Francisco preceding New York as where the UN dwells....none of these points has anything to do with the good old U S of A. Amazing, ain't it. But the judgment within the LAST HOUSE is a parentheses when looking at scripture. We are "besides the point". ESCHATOLOGY has North America/South America as a BLACK HOLE in end time events. Outside of being those who "DWELL CARELESSLY" in the isles/lands of coasts.… we really are insignificant.

But boy can we be used.… To do lots of things.… Be a target for 1 billion plus Chinese who will be part of THE KINGS of THE EAST.… Be THE GREAT SATAN to 1 billion Moslems from Morocco to Indonesia… Be UGLY UNENLIGHTENED AMERICANS to 1 billion Hindus.… Now the FRENCH and GERMANS just don't like us and the RUSSIANS are having real problems with "western economy"...STEERS DO NOT REPRODUCE WELL…

So who is on our side? Just those ANGLO-SAXON Brits and us ENGLISH TALKERS… The Angles and Saxons invaded Briton with the Jutes from GERMANY. So we have the amalgamation of romans, germans, celts, welsh, gaels and picts and scots.....Rule Britannia…

And then there is ISRAEL....who we are trying to sell out.…

Now if....just if...GW and Dick are reelected we have 4 more years before THE LAST HOUSE. That is the BEST CASE SCENARIO if you are trying to rationalize delaying REVELATION 19. In Rev 22 we hear that "THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE SAY.…" and that is UNITY.

Why would anyone want to POSTPONE HIS COMING?

Selah, bob

The Last House

Bob Neumann: 8/2004

Dear Joe and the WPA,
Today is an interesting day. Most interesting. Judy Curmi posted the synopsis of C Alan Martin's vision of THE TWELVE HOUSES. At the same time i got a post from Stephen Tice. Something that has not happened a lot over the years. Then someone posted from Jim Bramlet. Interesting....when i first went on line i "met" Craig and Stephen "on line". A few years earlier i met Jim Bramlet in St Petersberg.

Funny how 3 names in my past all came together within a few hours.

Add that to my own wild meanderings of the past week....and Johnny's post on THE FEAR OF THE LORD..…

All that kept coming to mind was Thomas Gibson's prophecies about President Bush.

As many may feel a concern about the upcoming election...for whatever reason…

House 11 – President ???
In the yard of this house is a large weeping willow tree. This tree represents mourning and sorrow. But under the draping limbs of this tree are children playing.

House 12 – President ???
This is the last house that I saw in this vision of the night. After this house was a dirt path that led toward a collection of boulders arranged in a semi circle which reminded me of a place where a trial was held and judgment rendered.

In another dream which took place during the millennial age, I was standing among these rocks looking at the ruins of a world rocked by the tribulation. In the ruins of these boulders I found a witch doll. I knew immediately that one of the reasons that the USA was judged was because she had gone after the occult and witchcraft.

Back in the mid 90's Craig Martin and i discussed the last 2 houses long before the "election" of 2000. In one of his dreams he had a dream where he saw the "anti-christ". If you look at HOUSE 11 "the children played" underneath the willow branches. This is a description of the present Bush administration. How anyone wants to interpret it… spin it out...doesn't really matter. Spiritualize it all ya want....children and a willow tree, not a whole lot. All i got was a LAMB song from years ago…

1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

Sing us a song of ZION...you captives in BABYLON. Who would have thought that five
days ago when i sent out PROPHECY AND POLITICAL POSITIONS we would talk about
THE 12 HOUSES. The answer of course is THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. I followed it with
STRANGER'S AND PILGRIMS.

If we have the courage to look at Craig's Visions with Thomas Gibson's we have a conundrum. No matter who wins this election THE LAST HOUSE maybe only six months away.

You see you can't have it both ways. Too many have "seen" GW failing to finish a second term. So even if he wins, time is very short.

Now i know many "feel" that it is many years before "prophecy" culminates. Stephen
Benning even has a time line. All i have is a sense of "imminence"....but i have had it
for years. One of the reasons i went "on line" years ago was that "sense".

At 14:44:11 i got another email from Judy Curmi. So i was in the middle of a lot of
thoughts and images and a new WARNING came forward. I hope she posts it to the
WPA. I think it points to THE LAST HOUSE..…

House 12 - President ???
This is the last house that I saw in this vision of the night. After this house was a dirt path that led toward a collection of boulders arranged in a semi circle which reminded me of a place where a trial was held and judgment rendered.

Four years ago i brought up the idea that maybe THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION was unscriptural. In STRANGERS AND PILGRIMS i shared a few scriptures....
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

I guess this is really where THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS really first started. Craig Martin said AMERICA was judged because ""she had gone after the occult and witchcraft"". Amazing i took my wife and son to see KING ARTHUR last Sunday. In the movie i was watching ROME under the LABARUM of the CHI ROH....brought back a whole lot of old memories. IN HOC SIGNA VINCES....and the movie BRAVEHEART. AHHHH YES....THE GOOD OLD DAYS....RAPE LOOT and PILLAGE in JESUS'S NAME.…

1 Samuel 15
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

Even KINGS can mess up and GOD JUDGES. But Saul kept the crown and political control for many more years. But Saul was a KING after the PEOPLE'S HEART. But why did Saul become King?

Why TWELVE HOUSES?

THE TWO GO TOGETHER.

Matthew 1
1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king ...........
JUDAH
PHARES and ZARAH
ESROM
ARAM
AMINADAB
NAASSON
SALMON
BOAZ
OBED
JESSE
DAVID....
11 GENERATIONS....Then came SOLOMON.…

Interesting isn't it. Try this...
5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children,and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

I haven't thought on this for years. But things are coming together from all sides. On Sunday in the previews before KING ARTHUR there was a new Nickolas Cage movie coming out around THANKSGIVING...it's called...… NATIONAL TREASURE.

Very interesting.…

On the back of THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE is a map to an ANCIENT TREASURE....hidden for 2000 years....passed on to our FOUNDING FATHERS..…

Interesting timing.…

Interesting images.…

selah
bob

All Those Turkeys

Bob Neumann, 11/2004

Last night my wife asked what I wanted for Thanksgiving dinner. While turkey is traditional there are some choices. Cajun Deep Fried, Smoked Turkey, Roasted Turkey, Mesquite turkey breast..... and of course glazed spiral ham. I suggested how about "smoked turkey", and my wife commented "too dry". So I stayed silent...if I can not guess what my wife wants the first try....my second and third are always worse.

So I went up to the bedroom anticipating actually sleeping but just could not "get comfortable". So I got up and put an old ISRAEL'S HOPE cd on and just worshipped. When it got to the song that went "O GIVE THANKS UNTO THE LORD, CALL UPON HIS NAME...." I heard a most familiar VOICE ask a question. "REMEMBER ALL THOSE TURKEYS?". And I thought immediately.... remember all those TURKEYS?....how can I forget.

In the last week I have had my problems, we all have problems. Issues about MERCY and SUFFERING, TITHING and GIVING, WARFARE and HARVEST. This week amerika will celebrate THANKSGIVING. Basically what we have is a nice long weekend and lots of leftovers to devour watching football games. Few will remember the origin of this FEAST OF REMEMBRANCE...few will actually care in this "land of plenty".

It is easy to forget the BLESSINGS and GRACE of ABBA when things are going well. When things go bad, we are screaming and demanding quick response time. Sometimes you have to remember who your Daddy is.... and all that HE HAS DONE FOR US...

I remember the TURKEYS quite well. Mainly because it was the Thanksgiving after Hurricane Andrew hit us hard in southern Dade County. Over three months had passed and we still had our roof covered with plastic sheets and tarps. About 40% of our roof had been blown completely off and all the insulation had been sucked out and scattered all over the Everglades. So the slightly cooler weather was most welcome.

In previous years the hospital I worked for gave turkeys to all employees. This years rumors were flying about changes in management...bankruptcy.... and no turkeys. The hospital and the corporation were in serious trouble. In the next year the hospital would be sold to another corporation, so some of the rumors had some foundation. But I had worked there over 10 years...hadn't bought a turkey for thanksgiving in years.

And me being cheap...I mean a good steward...I knew there would be sales on turkey...and did not worry. Since Andrew I was averaging over 56 hours a week and the overtime jumped my taxes horribly...so I could afford to buy a turkey. But a few weeks before TURKEY DAY at a meeting of men's ministry we got into how THE LORD had done such great things for so many of us in this period after Andrew. And I mentioned that OUR GOD sees to our needs and will PROVIDE...MORE THAN ENOUGH. Of course I still had a job, my house though badly damaged was "livable"...(my opinion, my wife did not agree)....so I understood how many of these guys had been pushed to the breaking point and were barely holding on day by day.

So Tuesday morning I went from work to the local Winn-Dixie. I bought a turkey...real cheap...my wife was not happy because it was "too big" and not a "butterball". 16 pounds was the smallest of the cheaper birds they had left. So I made room in the fridge and went to sleep. Work that night was the usual and about 6 am the hospital CEO came into the ICU. He had spent the night arguing with corporate types and found the other CEO's of the other hospitals in the corporation had chipped in and he got turkeys for all the employees.

Like I said I am cheap. And I had at home a near empty chest freezer that I had got all the mildew out of after Andrew cut out our electricity for 13 days. So I took it home. Went to put it in the freezer and found two turkeys already there. My wife did not tell me that her hospital decided to give out turkeys, they had never done it before and never would again. I worked there part time...so she got two turkeys....each less than 16lbs...no butterball... but they were free.

That afternoon I had a friend stop by. His church was passing out food baskets and he wanted to "bless" me because of the joint work several of our churches had done. I tried to refuse...and realized I would hurt some feelings needlessly. So now I had 5 turkeys. That evening someone else came by, from the church I attended ...he had spent hours delivering turkeys...he had two left and wanted to bless me..... I wonder if Trey remembers....he knew I had a near empty chest freezer. I had room for a few extra TURKEYS..... actually Trey supplied us with turkeys several times over the years...

Now I had 7 turkeys....the eighth came from my sister in law. She had been given a turkey from the hospital she worked for...several years later after much help cooked her first American turkey. She and her husband and son were going to eat with us...which is why I thought 16lbs was not too big....but her husband was invited to Orlando...soooo they went and left us their bird because they had no freezer space. By this time neither did we.

On THANKSGIVING DAY the year Hurricane Andrew went by I was sitting in front of the TV as my wife and kids headed out to see a movie. I was stuffed and turned off the TV at half time. AND I pondered...and I thought of an old Bing Crosby song about COUNTING YOUR BLESSINGS. So I started...missed the whole 3rd quarter. That night when wife Mila, daughter Jennifer, and son Andrew were all snoring up a storm I walked through the house giving thanks and worshipping. Telling my ABBA how wonderful HE WAS/IS/WILL ALWAYS BE. I thanked him for keeping my wife and children safe THROUGH THE STORM...thanked HIM for not knocking down the hospitals we worked at so we did not loose our jobs. Thanked HIM for toilets that flushed and for AIR CONDITIONING. Thanked HIM for all HIS SAINTS in my life and my new brother TREY HE had brought down after the STORM.

But I did ask HIM why all the TURKEYS....it had amazed me how they kept coming from all directions. and all I heard was "JUST REMEMBER".

But I had not thought about it in years. Funny how it came back now. So I actually had forgotten. I wonder how much we have all forgotten....until THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT brings things to remembrance.

Selah old dog

Being Under The Altar

Bob Neumann, 12/2004

Sometimes things sneak in unexpected. For years men have interpreted the possibilities of the GREAT MULTITUDE...in REV 7...

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

These CAME OUT OF...THE GREAT TRIBULATION.... they are not the same as REV 6...

Now 6 precedes 7....so early in the END TIMES we see those UNDER THE ALTER...who ARE GIVEN WHITE ROBES. they did not have to wash their own robes.... YET....why when I read REV 6 & 7 I always seem to "look back" to Ezekiel 9?

THE PARTY CAN NOT BEGIN TILL GOD GETS HIS.... sort of like MALACHI 3:16 & 17 & 18....

So ever "see yourself" UNDER THE ALTER? It is an interesting place for viewing what will be… Sort of exclusive ringside seats....

Now you really have to ask yourself about whether you are ready to anti up the PRICE OF ADMISSION.

Strange image for END TIMES DISCUSSION? maybe not

Selah ya'll

dog

The Humongous End Time Revival

Bob Neumann, 12/2004

Dear Stephen and the WPA, What I meant about THE HUMONGOUS END TIME REVIVAL was the much hyped idea that certain television and radio ministries have that "just before JESUS comes" all the sinners "out there" will suddenly "see the LIGHT" and turn on the TV. And there they will be...because your "support" will buy them the TV TIME..... Scripture does say that at "the end"...times will be perilous...STUDY 2 Timothy 3... Scripture also says that GOD will "turn them over".... STUDY THE END OF ROMANS 1........ STUDY THE BOOK OF JUDE.…

Now we are talking about general society....and the "opposition"....they ARE NOT part of ABBA'S HOUSE. Yet we are told by JESUS HIMSELF that there are EVIL SERVANTS...WICKED SERVANTS...LAZY SERVANTS... we are also told a PARABLE in MATTHEW, MARK, and LUKE about "husbandmen". Here is how DR LUKE TELLS IT.…

9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. 10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty. 11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty. 12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out. 13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. 14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. 17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

STUDY WHAT PRECEDED THIS PARABLE....

HEBREW 6 asks us what if a SERVANT turns ROGUE... please STUDY IT...

Personally...I like what is taught in REV 6 about THE END TIME HARVEST...it just is not quite what the MEDIA MIGHTY SEE AHEAD...

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Just take verses 16 & 17...NO REPENTANCE....

STUDY REV 14....and REMEMBER that all will be SEALED. EITHER EZEKIEL 9 SEALING … or REV 13 & 14...

NOW THERE IS ONLY ONE BIG-TIME HARVEST IN THE END.... and it does not come from AMERICAN TELEVANGELISTS...

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Does not line up with anybody hitting people up for the LAST BIG REVIVAL SHOW…

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